Tram overturns in Croydon - several deaths reported [Nov 2016]

[davesgcr]

At the end of the day - the formal investigation will find out what happened - the RAIB are nothing but thorough in their investigations.

Terrible , terrible accident though ......and obvious thoughts to all affected in whatever capacity.

 

[Bungle73]

Driver arrested for "manslaughter" according to the BTP.

 

[Guineveretoo]

The death toll now stands at 7

 

[Guineveretoo]

Empty trams are abandoned at various parts of the network. On my way back from East Croydon station about half an hour ago I saw police and workmen trying to help a lorry which had got stuck trying to get past one of the abandoned trams. There was a very long queue of traffic waiting for it to clear.

 

[Casual Observer]

Leaves blowing all over the place plus severe rain this morning make for hazardous tram driving conditions. Far too early to talk about manslaughter.

 

[Bungle73]

Leaves blowing all over the place plus severe rain this morning make for hazardous tram driving conditions. Far too early to talk about manslaughter.

Well that was the charge.

 

[mauvais]

Arrest - on the highest feasible charge - seems to be standard practice if there's any doubt - same with driving.

 

[MrSki]

Thoughts to anyone involved or their friends & family. Especially to those trapped all day.

 

[lizzieloo]

Leaves blowing all over the place plus severe rain this morning make for hazardous tram driving conditions. Far too early to talk about manslaughter.

"arrested on suspicion of manslaughter"

BTP | Updated statement on tram derailment - Croydon

When I first heard what time it happened I wondered if he might be over the limit from the night before.

 

[Pickman's model]

"arrested on suspicion of manslaughter"

BTP | Updated statement on tram derailment - Croydon

When I first heard what time it happened I wondered if he might be over the limit from the night before.

What was he up to the night before?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well that was the charge.

What's your source for yer man being charged?

 

[Bungle73]

What's your source for yer man being charged?

The BTP statement.

 

[Pickman's model]

The BTP statement.

Where does it say he's been charged?

 

[Bungle73]

Where does it say he's been charged?

I didn't say he had been charged. I said the charge he was arrested for was manslaughter.

 

[SqueakyBumTime]

Where does it say he's been charged?

BTP | Updated statement on tram derailment - Croydon

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't say he had been charged. I said the charge he was arrested for was manslaughter.

No, the arrest was on *suspicion* of manslaughter. no charge mentioned, that comes later.

 

[Pickman's model]

BTP | Updated statement on tram derailment - Croydon

Oh fuck off you dull cunt, you're as clueless as bungle

 

[SqueakyBumTime]

Oh fuck off you dull cunt, you're as clueless as bungle

Lol

 

[Pickman's model]

Lol

Ok. prove you know of what you witter: *where* in the statement does it say anyone has been charged?

 

[salem]

OK you've proved your point, now let it go as it's no longer adding to the discussion.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

'Arrested on suspicion of manslaughter' tells you nothing about the eventual charge or if there will be any charges at all. For example, if you are driving your car & a drunk falls in front of your car with no chance of you avoiding them & is killed, ie you are totally blameless you may still get arrested 'on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving' ie the police start with worst case scenario & work backwards. Same as if you stab a burglar to death in your house in self defence you will probably be arrested 'on suspicion of murder' but in both cases after investigation you would not face any charges. It is a common complaint that innocent people may spend months in this limbo while police investigate.

 

[Pickman's model]

OK you've proved your point, now let it go as it's no longer adding to the discussion.

Always your way to pop up when nothing's going on with some sanctimonious twaddle

 

[T & P]

Shocking loss of death. Also seems very high for the kind of accident that's taken place. A derailment with no obvious violent crash against another tram or any other object, the vehicles themselves looking relatively intact on the outside... WTF happened?

Compare it to the much larger Virgin train derailment a few years ago,which involved many more passengers and presumably a far higher speed, and yet there was just one fatality.

Could it be the issue of standing?

 

[Maggot]

Always your way to pop up when nothing's going on with some sanctimonious twaddle

There's a time and a place for having a pop and point-scoring - this isn't it.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Shocking loss of death. Also seems very high for the kind of accident that's taken place. A derailment with no obvious violent crash against another tram or any other object, the vehicles themselves looking relatively intact on the outside... WTF happened?

Compare it to the much larger Virgin train derailment a few years ago,which involved many more passengers and presumably a far higher speed, and yet there was just one fatality.

Could it be the issue of standing?

I worked on a tv show where we got a propper computer crash test of commuters on a crowded train crashing at a relatively slow speed (20mph I think), something no train company did when they decided it was safe to increase standing capacity. The crash was a slow a d simple one but there were lots of injuries and at least two deaths. We took it to all the train companies who chose to ignore it, even though the number one crash test simulation company gave a quite damning report. The test would also have easily applied to a tram.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's a time and a place for having a pop and point-scoring - this isn't it.

You're at it too

What is this, post something patronising when everything's over night?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Could it be the issue of standing?

That would probably make sense. Any accident on a crowded service is going to be bad.

 

[Mogden]

I would assume that the nature of a tram is that it is easier to move around than a train so people are more likely to be thrown about unfortunately.

 

[brogdale]

I would assume that the nature of a tram is that it is easier to move around than a train so people are more likely to be thrown about unfortunately.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I would assume that the nature of a tram is that it is easier to move around than a train so people are more likely to be thrown about unfortunately.

I don't think that's the nature of trams, it's just the layout the croydon ones have. The layout does not need to be any different from a train or bus.