colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
BBC saying he's been arrested but police won't confirm what for.
Croydon tram overturns: 'Some loss of life' and two trapped - BBC News
Tram overturns in Croydon - several deaths reported [Nov 2016]
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BBC saying he's been arrested but police won't confirm what for.
Croydon tram overturns: 'Some loss of life' and two trapped - BBC News
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Someone told me manslaughter, so that may not be correct, but he's definitely been arrested
Croydon tram driver arrested after derailment causes death
Croydon tram driver arrested after derailment causes death
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
yes, this already been posted by StoneRoad
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
London news confirmed five killed.
editor
hiraethified
I've moved it to UK news.
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
Thank you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's wait for him to be charged first before finding him guilty
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Last fatal tram accident 1959 apparentlyIt seems surprising that there is such loss of life when the carriages look to be intact. Apparently there have been amputations too, as a layman I'd have just expected injuries to be from people being thrown around. Must have been one hell of an impact
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I must admit, when I saw the aerial photo, I just thought "he took the corner too fast". I'm sure all will be revealed in due course.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Not drone. Three mother fucking noisy arse helicopters all at once (for some reason).
bi0boy
Power User
There are less than 100 miles of tramline in the UK, and there were no operational trams apart from the Blackpool one for many years. Given the accident rates per mile for UK mainline rail, I don't think such a long period with no fatal tram accidents is in any way significant.
editor
hiraethified
Far great distance if you include light rail (which fundamentally operate as trams in cities).
What is a tram? : TheTrams.co.uk
bi0boy
Power User
If you include light rail then there have been many fatal accidents since 1959: Rail Accident Investigation Branch reports - light rail
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
Someone has said on a Croydon Facebook page the driver was taken ill . Don't know if that is true though .
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And I suppose it's been that way since time immemorial
mauvais
on reddit or something
No there aren't.
57 miles in Manchester
20 in Nottingham
18 in Sheffield
17 on London Tramlink
That's more than 100 already.
bi0boy
Power User
It may be a bit more than 100 now given the figures I were using were a few years out of date. Point being there are 10000 miles of heavy rail so you can't really use "years since last accident" as a signifier of safety given that there's been 12 years since the last incident in which passengers in a mainline train were killed, and if that was a typical gap between incidents you'd expect a fatal tram incident every 1200 years. Not to mention the sample of accidents being rather small.
davesgcr
Reading books
I believe the Glasgow system had some spectacular incidents in the 1950's - hardly relevant as they involved collisions with other road vehicles (one a lorry reversing in the road -3 deaths by fire) , (the other a collision with an overturned bus - 12 deaths) ...light rail is generally very safe , partly due to low(ish) speeds....
mauvais
on reddit or something
FWIW supposedly there are about 1.2bn rail journeys in the UK each year, and about 35m on Manchester Metrolink, so about 3%. Ultimately your point is valid, just don't forget that in some places trams make up the majority of the local public transport system.
There have been various fatal tram accidents by the way, but AFAIK exclusively fatal to non-passengers - car drivers and pedestrians.
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Informed speculation time:
I work in Croydon and one of my colleagues was on the tram before the one which over-turned.
The trams go through a long tunnel and pick up speed before slowing down to take a sharp bend just before Sandilands stop. My colleague said that his tram was skidding (probably on wet leaves) before taking the sharp bend. So I think it's likely that the following tram also skidded on the leaves, which meant it didn't slow down enough before the bend and overturned.
I work in Croydon and one of my colleagues was on the tram before the one which over-turned.
The trams go through a long tunnel and pick up speed before slowing down to take a sharp bend just before Sandilands stop. My colleague said that his tram was skidding (probably on wet leaves) before taking the sharp bend. So I think it's likely that the following tram also skidded on the leaves, which meant it didn't slow down enough before the bend and overturned.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I suspect more people get killed by trams rather than while travelling on them. There's been a few in Manchester city centre I think.
davesgcr
Reading books
Correct - and both had formal RAIB enquiries - plenty of shunts with cars and vans etc though.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Was the first properly wet, leafy morning round here.
mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
The accident happened 400 meters from our place - our garden backs on to the line where it splits going to Elmers. I chose to get the bus this morning from the top of the road rather than get the tram to East Croydon as it was pissing down so hard, the accident occurred about 10 minutes after.
I'm guessing the driver either dosed off/health issue or d/a problem, the trams go through that tunnel fast then slow down as they come out to take the turn, with the weather and speed there was no chance of making it.
I'm guessing the driver either dosed off/health issue or d/a problem, the trams go through that tunnel fast then slow down as they come out to take the turn, with the weather and speed there was no chance of making it.
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