littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, fortunately giving a shit about the Prime Minister's religious beliefs isn't much of a thing in the UK.
Tory Leadership contest 2022
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do the local parties have much control over who they get to represent them?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Was just reminded how the news channels, particularly the bbc, are tied into all this bullshit. Just turned the news channel on and they had the usual people stood in downing street: 'we don't who it might be... there's a chance it will be sunak today... could be tomorrow... walking through that door... Mordaunt still claims...'. FFS, just grow up and report on how we all know it's going to play out. They have reporters there, wanting to do all the theatre, so the pointless theatre is what they do.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Practically speaking, I'm not sure Mordaunt can continue if she has, say, 102 votes to Sunak's 200+. Think she'd be under massive pressure to stand aside (in return for a nice big Cabinet job).
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Yes, according to the two members I know, they get a short list from their local party executive, and a vote on those.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
He didn’t play them very well then.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'm not talking about Tory MPs, I'm talking about racist boneheads and Britain First types.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It was a long shot. I mean he was forced out in disgrace just a couple of months ago. It was a really long shot. But he's won long shots before, and playing the media like that was an essential part of it. Still failed, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it effectively.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Oh, I thought you were talking about the membership, which is clearly not as racist overall as some seem to think.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
A r/w fucker has just become prime minister of Italy on the back of a platform that centres on Christianity and Christian identity, but I don't think we're near that kind of place here tbh. And a secular Hindu is hard to turn into a threat.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
There will be a pretty big reshuffle once Sunak is crowned - a few Boris nominators will have to go - Cleverley for one - Nadhim another - he'll have to keep Hunt atm because markets - Mordaunt will get a decent gig - which probably means Grant Shapps (aka Michael Green) gets shifted - but probably to another gig . He might keep some of the Truss folk - but will want his own people in mainly - with a nod towards 'unity'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You do have to wonder about someone like Stupidley. He's already way above his level at the FO. Why didn't he just keep schtum?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It’s not ‘playing the media’ tho. Of course they covered it, they often cover farces. He was clearly lying (about numbers) and they said that. He got headlines about being humiliated and a failure. In absolutely no way is that ‘effective’
You’re playing his game that anything he does is genius in some way. But it’s bollocks, he’s just an egotist with abysmal judgement. If anything the media played him, got him to throw away his The Return card.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't think it's genius, but it is the case that he's fallen up several times through his career. That he failed this time doesn't necessarily mean he did it badly. Just means he was attempting the impossible.
And I'm not sure he ever did have a The Return card. When the Tories are kicked out, they won't be going back to Johnson. His day is done. I think that was already true.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Ironically, stable owner Nadhim backed the wrong horse
Cleverley has managed to bag a few cabinet posts now - by being a Boris loyalist - then a Truss Loyalist , then a Boris Loyalist again, then whoops, a Sunak loyalist 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh if it was impossible then gladstone wouldn't have come back from a) losing a general election and b) resigning as leader of his party. sure it was beyond johnson. but there are many things that are beyond johnson's pitiable capabilities
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep, the tory party has certainly embraced the 'diversity of the rich'.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So not really playing the media/political class at all then
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I can see Johnson coming back after the (probable) Labour Landslide - leading the rump of the Tory party as opposition leader would just about be within his capabilities.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh, in part because he'd be the biggest arse in that rump
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can't. They'll be all about 'renewal'.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
He will blame the defeat on them not having him as a leader - the party will be in shock depending on the scale of the defeat - it'll go to the members unless the 1922 committee has another change of rules - the membership adores Boris.
bimble
floofy
The BBC sent out a news alert text thing saying ‘boris has 100 backers’ on Saturday , and only afterwards added that this actually might not be true. Thats absolutely shameful for them, it being based on nothing at all but a tweet from his campaign twat friend.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He might blame the defeat on them not having him as leader, but will anyone be listening to him by then? He may well have been further discredited by the privileges committee by then - and likely have lost his seat. I think things will look very different, even to party members.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i hope you've written to richard sharp demanding an apology
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
You have to feel for all the Boris fans who were so certain on Saturday that their man would be on the ballot and would make a magnificent return *
*actually no, #fuck em.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Sky just reported that Sunak now has 183 MPs publicly supporting him, so over half of the 357.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
51.9% Sunak : 48.1% Dormant would be great
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