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Tory lead cut to 6% in poll ..

Tories must be tearing their hair out, nothing they do seems to make any difference. Maybe concentrating on yougov polls is skewing the picture though.
 
i'm going to laugh so hard if the tories manage to lose.

worth another 5 years of brown just to see cameron's concession speech...
 
And now they have to let Osborne have some TV time for budget response. They're fucked. :D
 
butchersapron said:
Tories must be tearing their hair out, nothing they do seems to make any difference. Maybe concentrating on yougov polls is skewing the picture though.
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Maybe although they do have a high level of credibility...
 
It's worth bearing in mind that the other pollsters have the Tories ahead by quite a bit more. In some cases over 10%.

Christ knows which is most accurate.
 
I saw that on Channel 4 the other night :D He came across like such a fucking idiot, tripping himself up trying to get the PR right.
 
don't you remember the 'Hewitt letter' butch?

This interview will be all over the gay press, so thats their votes lost to Cameron. But advertising it more widely would show that labour was really 'the friend of the gays', which might not play well with some other voters they still need. So leve it to the gay press.
 
belboid said:
soz, see amendment above, and I mean the old Hewitt letter, not the recent joke of a one.
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Ah, i hadn't even heard about that one b.

Amidst the criticism recently heaped on Gordon Brown by female ministers, former health secretary Patricia Hewitt has claimed that gay rights and the women's liberation movement passed the prime minister by.
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Yes, possibly something there if you look at the issue alone, but i was thinking more of the actual stumbling flustered performance when put on the spot and asked to think for himself.
 
butchersapron said:
Ah, i hadn't even heard about that one b.
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actually I was thinking of an even older one, Kinnock may still have been leader, or possibly just before Blair got in. She wrote a letter saying gay and lesbian rights should never be mentioned in the coming campaign as it didn't play well with pensioners.

Yes, possibly something there if you look at the issue alone, but i was thinking more of the actual stumbling flustered performance when put on the spot and asked to think for himself.
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cant do that without showing what the issue is tho. i bet lots of blogger types will have the stumbling bits, devoid of context, lined up tho
 
I suppose Brown could attempt to turn it on it's head, use the opportunity to outlines the socially liberal measures he's introduced - if there are any, that is. But that in turn would open other opportunities for people to attack him in turn for not doing enough...
 
belboid said:
actually I was thinking of an even older one, Kinnock may still have been leader, or possibly just before Blair got in. She wrote a letter saying gay and lesbian rights should never be mentioned in the coming campaign as it didn't play well with pensioners.



cant do that without showing what the issue is tho. i bet lots of blogger types will have the stumbling bits, devoid of context, lined up tho
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She sent the letter in the 80's, it co-incided with an attack on the Left in London and rather more openly an attack on Deirdre Wood the 1986 Greenwixch by-election candidate, it was a deliberate attack by Hewitt.

In regards to her recent letter re Brown and gay rights, she's clearly no idea abnout him. Brown supported the Scottish Homosexual Rights Group in the 70's let alone the 80's. He's long been involved in pro-gay rights campaigns.
 
frogwoman said:
gay politics in the uk is utterly, utterly fucked.
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This.

Business all too busy to extol the virtues of the pink fucking pound and then sell back gay lib re-packaged as a glossy product, whilst politicians one minute trying to appease to Stonewall over private lunches of prawn sandwiches that they're on the side of progressing gay rights, whilst then trying not to upset other parts of the electorate and certain groups by not appearing too cosy! :mad:
 
glenquagmire said:
It's worth bearing in mind that the other pollsters have the Tories ahead by quite a bit more. In some cases over 10%.

Christ knows which is most accurate.
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Fair point but in the 2008 Mayoral elections the other polls were all over the place and only YouGov predicted it correctly iirc.
 
frogwoman said:
I was thinking more along the lines of LGBT "leaders" themselves .... but yes
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Ah, I see :)

I see too many individual fights going on amongst and between different parts of individual L, G, B, T groups in order to try and claim/maintain ideological ground and win teh identity politics war, let alone LGBT as a whole :(
 
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