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tim said:
Why do you think it is acceptable to lump elderly white men together, mock their appearance and make insinuations about the their political and social beliefs?

Fuck you, your clever heroes on Twitter and your absurd racial profiling!
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Do you recognise any of those men?

Have you heard the views/opinions of any of those men?

Why do you think someone felt moved to create this montage of their faces?
 
Rutita1 said:
Do you recognise any of those men?

Have you heard the views/opinions of any of those men?

Why do you think someone felt moved to create this montage of their faces?
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It's the crude gammon army comment I am referring to. What is acceptable about that essentially racist Twitter epithet?
 
tim said:
It's the crude gammon army comment I am referring to. What is acceptable about that essentially racist Twitter epithet?
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You haven't answered my questions at all.

You also know that they lumped themselves together primarily...because of their views. Perhaps you think that they can think and say what they like and others should not react to them, nor have an opinion on people that think like them?
 
Rutita1 said:
Do you recognise any of those men?

Have you heard the views/opinions of any of those men?

Why do you think someone felt moved to create this montage of their faces?
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As I said my post was about the "gammon army" comments.

As to the montage, I neither know or care who they are. I assume however that the motivation in making such montage is to suggest that there is something bad and depraved about people who look a certain way. It's a technique used by the racist right and I don't see why it should be seen as acceptable on these boards.
 
tim said:
As I said my post was about the "gammon army" comments.

As to the montage, I neither know or care who they are. I assume however that the motivation in making such montage is to suggest that there is something bad and depraved about people who look a certain way. It's a technique used by the racist right and I don't see why it should be seen as acceptable on these boards.
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Who look a certain way? Are you for real? My maternal grandfather looks exactly like a few of those men. He wouldn't though have made it to that montage. You know why, don't you? Oh look, no you don't. You have just assumed it's because how they look.
 
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It's not that they're old white men, it's that they're purple with rage (about taxes, the gays or whatever). That bloke on Question Time last week shouting at career politicians 'who'd never run a business' being a classic example. Caricatures may not be helpful, but it does kind of fit a lot of the reactionary berks out there.
 
Rutita1 said:
You also know that they lumped themselves together primarily...because of their views. Perhaps you think that they can think and say what they like and others should not react to them, nor have an opinion on people that think like them?
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Why do you assume I know or care who any of them are are?
Regardless of their views they were not lumped together by whoever made the montage. What I actually think is the is that you should seek to hold those you disagree with to account directly not by making their faces into a decontextualised poster.
 
tim said:
It's the crude gammon army comment I am referring to. What is acceptable about that essentially racist Twitter epithet?
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Seems fair enough to me. And, FWIW, I'm of the age group, so it's all a bit "there but for the grace of God go I..." (OK, and perhaps a modicum of social awareness)
 
tim said:
Why do you assume I know or care who any of them are are?
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Great. You don't care who they are and how they think. Instead you will defend them because you think that meme was made because of how they all look.
Regardless of their views they were not lumped together by whoever made the montage.
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That's exactly why they were lumped together. Them limped themselves together. But you don't care about that, and because you do randomly care about them,r egardless of whether or not they are cunts, you are choosing to file that as a decontextualised poster.
 
Rutita1 said:
Who look a certain way? Are you for real? My maternal grandfather looks exactly like a few of those men. He wouldn't though have made it to that montage. You know why, don't you? Oh look, no you don't. You have just assumed it's because how they look.
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Because your grandfather doesn't fit the stereotype you are keen to perpetuate.
 
tim said:
Because your grandfather doesn't fit the stereotype you are keen to perpetuate.
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Eh? My grandfather does fit the stereotype in the way you are imagining it works...you imagine that this meme exists because of the way they all look. it doesn't, but you say you don't care about that. You are not keen in understanding why this meme exists. So you are keen to perpetuate falsehoods, yet I am doing something wrong? :D
 
Dogsauce said:
It's not that they're old white men, it's that they're purple with rage (about taxes, the gays or whatever). That bloke on Question Time last week shouting at career politicians 'who'd never run a business' being a classic example. Caricatures may not be helpful, but it does kind of fit a lot of the reactionary berks out there.
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Ah, the classic "but lots of them really are like the that" comment.
 
Dogsauce said:
It's not that they're old white men, it's that they're purple with rage (about taxes, the gays or whatever). That bloke on Question Time last week shouting at career politicians 'who'd never run a business' being a classic example. Stereotypes may not be helpful, but it does kind of fit a lot of the reactionary berks out there.
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Fixed that for you.
 
Rutita1 said:
Great. You don't care who they are and how they think. Instead you will defend them because you think that meme was made because of how they all look.
That's exactly why they were lumped together. Them limped themselves together. But you don't care about that, and because you do randomly care about them,r egardless of whether or not they are cunts, you are choosing to file that as a decontextualised poster.
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I'm not defending them, I'm criticising you. If they are cunts expose them as cunts rather than making their faces into lazy racist collages. And maybe screen grab and expose cunts who don't fit the racial profile you find so comforting.

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tim said:
I'm not defending them, I'm criticising you. If they are cunts expose them as cunts rather than making their faces into a laztt racist collages. And maybe screen grab and expose cunts who don't know for the racial profile you find so comforting
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Fuck me you have it bad. Bigoted cunts are clearly safe your hands.
 
tim said:
Why do you assume I know or care who any of them are are?
Regardless of their views they were not lumped together by whoever made the montage. What I actually think is the is that you should seek to hold those you disagree with to account directly not by making their faces into a decontextualised poster.
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Because without knowing that the stick they are receiving either makes no sense or you have to invent a reason for it. You have chosen the second option and you have chosen race as your reason; which is sort of interesting if a little weird. Why not do your self and other posters to these boards a favour and take a little time and effort (and it will only take a little of both) to go and find out who these people are and what common ground they share. In this case ignorance obviously isn't bliss.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Louis MacNeice said:
Because without knowing that the stick they are receiving either makes no sense or you have to invent a reason for it. You have chosen the second option and you have chosen race as your reason; which is sort of interesting if a little weird. Why not do your self and other posters to these boards a favour and take a little time and effort (and it will only take a little of both) to go and find out who these people are and what common ground they share. In this case ignorance obviously isn't bliss.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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The "gammon" bit does strike me as a race-based epithet. I do know who they are and fuck 'em but tim's got a point.
 
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