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After one of these long walks, Philip should really sit Tess down and tell her the truth that he has dared not bring up earlier -that everyone hates her, she is utterly fucked, out of her depth and its best of she jumps ship and lets some other mug get on with it - then they can walk the earth together for eternity. Just the pair of them.

I cannot imagine being the partner of someone like Mayhem and not eventually coming clean and calling a halt to the shambles before it kills them
 
BemusedbyLife said:
May is doomed, she's failed once and Tory High Command doesn't do second chances, but after the last election I would have thought they would want a Man of the People, they don't actually have such but they need someone who can at least pretend and I'm not convinced Rees-Mogg can pull off human never mind the common touch.
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Somehow I don't think his views are going to going to chime with the young vote no matter how sincere he is.
 
BemusedbyLife said:
May is doomed, she's failed once and Tory High Command doesn't do second chances, but after the last election I would have thought they would want a Man of the People, they don't actually have such but they need someone who can at least pretend and I'm not convinced Rees-Mogg can pull off human never mind the common touch.
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Depends on who the Tories think 'the people' are really, get the feeling they half suspect that everyone just wants a nice, traditional gentleman to tell them what to do. Like in the good old days. Failing that there's always novelty value, worked for Boris Johnson.
 
BemusedbyLife said:
May is doomed, she's failed once and Tory High Command doesn't do second chances, but after the last election I would have thought they would want a Man of the People, they don't actually have such but they need someone who can at least pretend and I'm not convinced Rees-Mogg can pull off human never mind the common touch.
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I'm sure they have a short list of people they'll start to develop once it looks like Brexit is in the bag they'll start to be promoted etc. Corbyn will be in his 70s by the time the next election rolls around they'll play on that as well; he'll likely be the oldest PM ever. So they'll roll out the vote Corbyn get XXX' line.
 
bemused said:
I'm sure they have a short list of people they'll start to develop once it looks like Brexit is in the bag they'll start to be promoted etc. Corbyn will be in his 70s by the time the next election rolls around they'll play on that as well; he'll likely be the oldest PM ever. So they'll roll out the vote Corbyn get XXX' line.
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Wasn't Churchill PM in his 80s?
 
bemused said:
So they'll roll out the vote Corbyn get XXX' line.
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That would only work if the most likely replacement for Corbyn is someone more left wing or radical than Corbyn wouldn't it? and there isn't anyone. Vote Corbyn - get Umunna might look like a good bet for a lot of swing voters...
 
BemusedbyLife said:
May is doomed, she's failed once and Tory High Command doesn't do second chances, but after the last election I would have thought they would want a Man of the People, they don't actually have such but they need someone who can at least pretend and I'm not convinced Rees-Mogg can pull off human never mind the common touch.
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they're playing with a poor hand. May has vultures circling her, and the possible contenders are Davis, Hammond, Johnson and, um Gove? I don't think they fancy having someone who looks like a recurring villain from Downton Abbey as leader, but he's who they're stuck with.
 
Mogg is the Tory's, Donald Trump. Talks incomprehensible bigotted nonsense, & is inexplicably popular with their dwindling base.
 
Mogg makes johnson look like a safe pair of hands he could be the corbyn like outsider if tge torys have gone completely batshit.

Corbyn may have been an outsider to the establishment in labour but his policys are popular even if people dont like him.

Mogg is entertaining in small doses but nobody really belives war with france and hunting the poor with hounds and banning horseless carriages are going to be vote winners.
 
8den said:
If the last year has taught us anything it's, never underestimate how catastrophically stupid the Torys are.
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I don't think Mogg is stupid. The interview in did with Morgan was a clear example. Piers wanted to catch him out the same way they did with Tim Farron. Rather than dance around his religious beliefs he just avoided the trap by being consistent with his church. I personally wouldn't vote for him but I think he's smart enough to know he'd lose Tory votes not gain them.
 
bemused said:
I don't think Mogg is stupid. The interview in did with Morgan was a clear example. Piers wanted to catch him out the same way they did with Tim Farron. Rather than dance around his religious beliefs he just avoided the trap by being consistent with his church. I personally wouldn't vote for him but I think he's smart enough to know he'd lose Tory votes not gain them.
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Last year I'd have said you're right, but as Brexit has shown us there's no limit to Tory self-delusion in the party right now. You can't say Mogg is tremendously clever as he is spouting off extremely bigoted outdated ideas.
 
killer b said:
You know Donald Trump won, don't you?
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Is there anyone alive right now who still thinks he won fair and square? Some infosec heads I follow on twitter are spotting the same kind of irregularities behaviour among the moggmentum online campaign as the saw during Brexit and Trump's "success"?
 
8den said:
Is there anyone alive right now who still thinks he won fair and square? Some infosec heads I follow on twitter are spotting the same kind of irregularities behaviour among the moggmentum online campaign as the saw during Brexit and Trump's "success"?
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I think that whatever irregularities may or may not have occurred, an awful lot of people voted for him despite him being an incomprehensible bigot.
 
killer b said:
I think that whatever irregularities may or may not have occurred, an awful lot of people voted for him despite him being an incomprehensible bigot.
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I'm not rehashing the 2016 election, if I wanted to do that I'd go back on the "what stupid shit has Trump done today" thread.

Precisely, Mogg appeals to the little england brexitter type. And Mogg will appeal to them no doubt, but it's doubtful that base is big enough to sustain the Torys into government in 2019 or whenever.

There's no one in the conservative party who can appeal to broad demographics, so they're falling back to their base, and apparently, their champion is the weak chinned product of half a millennium of inbreeding.
 
killer b said:
didn't the little england brexitter type somehow get 52% in a referendum last year?
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With 17m votes. Barely a quarter of the electorate. And I imagine if it was run again now it'd be a different story?


Not sure what your point is btw, are you saying Mogg is electable?


BTW I'm not suggesting that everyone who voted for Brexit is a supporter of Mogg and Farage, and the general election results this year supports this assertion. Merely that there is a particular type of Brexit voter who Mogg appeals to.
 
8den said:
You can't say Mogg is tremendously clever as he is spouting off extremely bigoted outdated ideas.
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yeh it's the auld let's exaggerate and show how cool we are by making out yer man's a dinosaur.

how do you intend to challenge his ideas beyond saying they're bigoted and past their use-by?
 
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