Tory Death Spiral

[Pickman's model]

idle speculation is what we do here, no?

yeh. idle speculation. not pointless prognostication.

 

[Kaka Tim]

yeh. idle speculation. not pointless prognostication.

the difference being?

 

[Pickman's model]

the difference being?

idle speculation is interesting. pointless prognostication is not. and gossiping about possible leadership contests in the conservative party falls under the latter heading.

 

[existentialist]

you're quite right, should be b4322

B4322 - Roader's Digest: The SABRE Wiki

 

[SpineyNorman]

idle speculation is interesting. pointless prognostication is not. and gossiping about possible leadership contests in the conservative party falls under the latter heading.

What about idle prognostication or pointless speculation?

 

[Pickman's model]

What about idle prognostication or pointless speculation?

what about them?

 

[andysays]

idle speculation is interesting. pointless prognostication is not. and gossiping about possible leadership contests in the conservative party falls under the latter heading.

Hmm, I don't think discussion of whether or not Boris Johnson might be gearing up for an attempt at becoming Conservative Party leader and what might happen should he decide to actually go for it falls entirely in the realm of pointless prognostication.

There even appears to be a thread dedicated to exactly that purpose
Boris Johnson Watch - the journey to No.10
which is not to say that discussion can't also take place on this thread

 

[SpineyNorman]

what about them?

How might they be defined and are they better/worse than the other two?

 

[Pickman's model]

How might they be defined and are they better/worse than the other two?

Loosely, and by comparison nefandous

 

[toblerone3]

List a few things that labour should be doing and a leader that will do them. Let's just pretend that they're cost free leaders for now.

You misunderstand me somewhat. I don't know any other leaders in the Labour party or outside it at the moment who have a coherent set of policies that could do better. I'm not even sure what would be the content of those better policies. Perhaps: tackling the housing shortage through the nationalisation of urban land; a coherent immigration policy based on a steady movement towards open borders; movement towards a global basic income scheme; big public investment in low carbon infrastructure; strong anti monopolies stance; progressive taxation; big investment in social care; mental health and also something to encourage local micro economies and small scale entrepreneurs. Don't piss on me because I haven't got the details please.

 

[butchersapron]

prat

 

[toblerone3]

it is unsurprising to see lightweight moribund thinking from you, like the utter bankruptcy involved in identifying the left as the labour party.

The tories are in power because they have the most seats in parliament. That is pretty important unless you are suggesting that there should be a revolution. Which other left wing party from the Labour Party has significant seats in parliament?

 

[Pickman's model]

The tories are in power because they have the most seats in parliament. That is pretty important unless you are suggesting that there should be a revolution. Which other left wing apart from the Labour Party has significant seats in parliament?

I am surprised you identify the Labour Party as left.

 

[toblerone3]

prat

You are one very small voice that has little influence.

 

[toblerone3]

I am surprised you identify the Labour Party as left.

Yes. I would say that they are left of centre. Controversial?

 

[Pickman's model]

You are one very small voice that has little influence.

That duck's going "I hope that toblerone3 doesn't use my image in a post, I'd die of shame"

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. I would say that they are left of centre. Controversial?

Politically illiterate

What actual left wing things are they proposing?
And if the Labour Party are so lefty how come Labour councils are taking the lead in demolishing council estates and replacing them with yuppie flats?

 

[toblerone3]

At this point a past where the gap between rich and poor was far smaller, public services were provided by the public sector, council housing was still getting built and nobody had even heard of an ipad sounds pretty good to me.

I totally agree with reducing the gap between the rich and the poor.
Also more services should/could be provided by the public sector. But where are the lessons learnt about poor public sector management?
Council Housing Yes. The Nationalisation of urban land would help.
ipad. No you cant uninvent stuff. And the lack of fresh thinking is part of the problem I think.

 

[Pickman's model]

I totally agree with reducing the gap between the rich and the poor.
Also more services should/could be provided by the public sector. But where are the lessons learnt about poor public sector management?
Council Housing Yes. The Nationalisation of urban land would help.
ipad. No you cant uninvent stuff. And the lack of fresh thinking is part of the problem I think.

Are you honestly saying you've been paying no attention whatsoever to the Labour party's destruction of council housing which has been going on for many years and accelerated under corbyn?

 

[toblerone3]

Politically illiterate

What actual left wing things are they proposing?
And if the Labour Party are so lefty how come Labour councils are taking the lead in demolishing council estates and replacing them with yuppie flats?

Not perfect I know but there is a will to try in some Councils.

An Exemplary Regeneration: King’s Crescent Estate

 

[DotCommunist]

where are the lessons learnt about poor public sector management?

its hard to hear them over the sound of carillion collapsing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not perfect I know but there is a will to try in some Councils.

An Exemplary Regeneration: King’s Crescent Estate

You think that makes up for the Colville Estate and the Haggerston Estate being turned into yuppie hellholes? Don't you dare say there is a will to try in hackney council, it makes you look stupid and ignorant.

 

[toblerone3]

Also viability studies need to be properly scrutinised.

Revealed: how developers exploit flawed planning system to minimise affordable housing

 

[toblerone3]

its hard to hear them over the sound of carillion collapsing.

...also Capita in Barnet. But the public needs to do better and it can.

 

[Pickman's model]

Also viability studies need to be properly scrutinised.

Revealed: how developers exploit flawed planning system to minimise affordable housing

Do you not understand what the destruction of social housing and its replacement by yuppie flats is? Jesus Mary and Joseph this is a new low even for you

 

[butchersapron]

Just become PM ffs.

 

[DotCommunist]

...also Capita in Barnet. But the public needs to do better and it can.

I'm trying to point out that the 'efficiencies' of the market solution against which the public sector are always measured are a complete lie. Always were.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway toblerone3 I'm not seeing you saying anything about the lefty things corbyn's Labour party's proposing...

 

[toblerone3]

You think that makes up for the Colville Estate and the Haggerston Estate being turned into yuppie hellholes? Don't you dare say there is a will to try in hackney council, it makes you look stupid and ignorant.

I agree and Woodberry Down wasn't pretty either but improvement (and I believe that there is lot more that could be done) is not to be totally dismissed because mistakes were made in past. I'm not defending Hackney Council here totally, but there are some people in the Council whose hearts are in the right place.

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree and Woodberry Down wasn't pretty either but improvement (and I believe that there is lot more that could be done) is not to be totally dismissed because mistakes were made in past. I'm not defending Hackney Council here totally, but there are some people in the Council whose hearts are in the right place.

I wish I could share your confidence in them but this is hardly limited to Hackney.