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Nylock said:
It also seems to attract posters who airily dismiss a highly charged racial epithet used by an elected official as 'not a frowned-on' word... Where exactly is the use of 'nigger' not frowned upon? I'm sure a mature debater such as yourself could dig up a totally non-specious and rock-solid example... So go ahead.
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If you read what I posted you'd see I didn't endorse or praise the use of a word. I just indicated that the use of the word in a phrase commonly used a couple of decades ago by a middle-aged woman probably brought up in a society not many would recognise today, was not the end of the world. To my mind the actual racial abuse still being experienced by many in this country, often from the Police, is far more concerning than such a slip...
 
patman post said:
If you read what I posted you'd see I didn't endorse or praise the use of a word. I just indicated that the use of the word in a phrase commonly used a couple of decades ago by a middle-aged woman probably brought up in a society not many would recognise today, was not the end of the world. To my mind the actual racial abuse still being experienced by many in this country, often from the Police, is far more concerning than such a slip...
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Didn't the phrase start being edited out of books around 60 years ago?
 
patman post said:
If you read what I posted you'd see I didn't endorse or praise the use of a word. I just indicated that the use of the word in a phrase commonly used a couple of decades ago by a middle-aged woman probably brought up in a society not many would recognise today, was not the end of the world. To my mind the actual racial abuse still being experienced by many in this country, often from the Police, is far more concerning than such a slip...
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I did read what you'd posted. Here is is again:

patman post said:
Get over it. Anne Marie is middle aged and brought up in the sleepy West Country — probably in a town where the local store has nigger brown dyes, cotton and fabric. At least she didn't call someone a frowned-on word and, as far as we know, she doesn't discriminate against non-Whites in her daily life. Let's save slagging off for the Far Right who actively want to divide society and kick out non-Whites...
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I never said that you 'endorsed' her use of the word. I said you 'airily dismissed it'. Which is exactly what you did by stating she
didn't call someone a frowned-on word
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I asked you to back up your dismissal with a non-specious example. You failed to do so* and are now falling back on the old 'you didn't properly read my post' shtick as well as deliberately misrepresenting my initial challenge. If this is your idea of 'debate'; you're not very good at it, are you?



*hint: falling back on 'common use' of the term from decades ago whilst blithely ignoring the fact that this is an elected official and not some tawdry bigot holding forth at the local con club does not constitute a 'non specious and rock-solid' example.
 
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Ptolemy said:
Didn't the phrase start being edited out of books around 60 years ago?
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I was born in 1981. I remember that phrase, and others like "eeny-meeny-miny-mo, etc", were still being used in front of kids when I started school. And the actual word is still being used in common speech by some people...
 
DotCommunist said:
two decades ago he recons. Whatever else you can say about the late 90s, throwing that word around wasn't common or accepted.
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Why doesn't anyone read what I post? The two decades ago referred to the reported saying. Nevertheless, whatever hand-wringing do-gooders would like to be the case, people are still called racial names...
 
patman post said:
Get over it. Anne Marie is middle aged and brought up in the sleepy West Country — probably in a town where the local store has nigger brown dyes, cotton and fabric. At least she didn't call someone a frowned-on word and, as far as we know, she doesn't discriminate against non-Whites in her daily life. Let's save slagging off for the Far Right who actively want to divide society and kick out non-Whites...
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If your case is that we should go easy because she is old school conservative (to the extent of blithely spilling out racial slurs) rather than a full on "real" racist / fascist / nazi then you might benefit from studying the historical alliances and overlaps between conservatism and the far right.
 
patman post said:
Why doesn't anyone read what I post? The two decades ago referred to the saying. Nevertheless, whatever hand-wringing do-gooders would like to be the case, people are still called racial names...
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well you are still reaching because its never been a common phrase two decades ago. I'd have heard it if it had, heard plenty of coon this and bud-bud ding ding that but the very formation 'woodpile' is american in origin as is the phrase as a whole. Say some stuff about how much you abhor police racism. You know the real racism that is important and not silly handwringing. lol.
 
patman post said:
Why doesn't anyone read what I post? The two decades ago referred to the saying. Nevertheless, whatever hand-wringing do-gooders would like to be the case, people are still called racial names...
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The saying "nigger in a woodpile"? Common in the 1990's? That's a total crock of shit. People are reading your posts. On face value. If you wish people to peel back the shitty top layer to reveal the golden centre then maybe you should elucidate on the actual points your are trying to make*.


*If it's 'people are mean to each other and "liberal hand wringers" should shut the fuck up and get on with tackling the "real" issues' then yeah I got that bit. Just what are the "real" issues you wish to debate?
 
I think regardless of whether or not it was a term that was used in the recent past, to say that she used it in a public forum isn't very bright. Surely you'd think that the N-word would only bring you down. Why even bother?
 
Plus the fact that it was used in the recent past doesn't legitimise it's use now or remove it's sting when a member of the political class uses it.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
If your case is that we should go easy because she is old school conservative (to the extent of blithely spilling out racial slurs) rather than a full on "real" racist / fascist / nazi then you might benefit from studying the historical alliances and overlaps between conservatism and the far right.
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What about the TU marches supporting Enoch, or the closed union shops refusing to accept Black workers, or the attacks on Black immigrants in Notting Hill. They may have been in the past, but there is still a way to go before discrimination is fully eradicated — Macpherson showed just how ingrained it is...
 
Ptolemy said:
she used it in a public forum isn't very bright
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She said it in the confines of the East India Club. For real, these are the places where they think its-all-us-now. And usually the stuff doesn't come out. We can be one hundred and ten percent sure the club for semi-merc colonial officers from BITD has had worse ringing from the walls before now. This was supposed to be safe space.
 
Patman's post was clearly the nasty thing that Aunt Ada Doon once saw in the woodshed. Ban him before he traumatises anyone else.
 
Rutita1 said:
Can we stop giving this arsehole such a squeeze please? It is not true. He is lying. There is no regardless...the basis of all his arguments is that she is legitimised in using this phrase because being an old colonial/racist tory is okay and could be worse.
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This forum should make a refreshing change from another I post on. There I'm regularly insulted for telling how racism actually works today and accused of being anti-White. Sadly, I'm beginning to see that Left handwringers are just as blinkered...
 
Rutita1 said:
Yes Poot it's not just the word nigger in this instance for me...it's the expression, the context...she knows what it means and was comfortable saying it. How long before these fucking old colonials die off?
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:D

Totally agree, and the phrase is absolutely appalling, and arguably even worse than the word 'nigger', because you can replace that word with any other racial slur and the phrase would still make one's skin crawl.

I have come across the phrase before, but it is only ever uttered by old fucks. I don't give a fuck how old you are, anyone using that phrase in 2017 is getting checked.
 
patman post said:
This forum should make a refreshing change from another I post on. There I'm regularly insulted for telling how racism actually works today and accused of being anti-White. Sadly, I'm beginning to see that Left handwringers are just as blinkered...
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You don't know how racism actually works given your posts here tonight and are far from being anti-white.Troll on.
 
DotCommunist said:
She said it in the confines of the East India Club. For real, these are the places where they think its-all-us-now. And usually the stuff doesn't come out. We can be one hundred and ten percent sure the club for semi-merc colonial officers from BITD has had worse ringing from the walls before now. This was supposed to be safe space.
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What I'm taking from this (again) is that, yes, the Tories are equally as arrogant as they are cruel and stupid. Not really that much of a surprise, when you think about it.
 
patman post said:
I just indicated that the use of the word in a phrase commonly used a couple of decades ago by a middle-aged woman probably brought up in a society not many would recognise today, was not the end of the world.
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just :rolleyes:
anyway give over with this she's old and knows no better nonsense. She's younger than plenty here who manage not to spout racist rubbish. You're trolling invented excuses for lols. sod off.
 
It's also plain to see that Cameron's 12 years of "detoxification" is rapidly falling apart in the space of a couple of months. Scratch below the surface...
 
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Bet all of these old cunts use it.
 
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