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S☼I said:
On holiday in Sicily a couple of years ago I was walking in the pool with my daughter on my back when I got to the drop-off bit - no slope, just a drop from five feet deep to six foot six. I went under, got a mouthful of water, and have to say I panicked a bit, flailing to the side so much so the lifeguard fella asked me to give him a thumbs-up. And that was a warm pool, broad daylight, full of people. And I can swim fine.
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Not surprised, getting caught unawares like that.
 
8ball said:
Defib training every year?
They're pretty shy about pushing those buttons, despite the fact that the newer machines pretty much do everything for you.
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Yes, they introduced defib as part of our annual lifesaving training this year. Not just knowing where the equipment is but knowing how to use it. I was glad to learn that once you open the box, it starts talking to you to tell you what to do. One important thing I learned was to use the razors if you have to defib a hairy chest to carry the current properly.
 
harpo said:
Yes, they introduced defib as part of our annual lifesaving training this year. Not just knowing where the equipment is but knowing how to use it. I was glad to learn that once you open the box, it starts talking to you to tell you what to do. One important thing I learned was to use the razors if you have to defib a hairy chest to carry the current properly.
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I kinda think you'd need to be *very* hairy to compromise the current*, but it's good that they've thought of everything. :thumbs:
It's been nearly a decade now that the machines pretty much do everything themselves.

* - I have neither verified this by personal research or direct experience
 
8ball said:
I kinda think you'd need to be *very* hairy to compromise the current*, but it's good that they've thought of everything. :thumbs:
It's been nearly a decade now that the machines pretty much do everything themselves.

* - I have neither verified this by personal research or direct experience
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My husband is luxuriantly hairy in the chest. When I did my training and they explained the necessity of shaving the patch, that was the challenge I was thinking of.
 
harpo said:
My husband is luxuriantly hairy in the chest. When I did my training and they explained the necessity of shaving the patch, that was the challenge I was thinking of.
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I think you would *really* have to be hairy, though I guess more than impeding the current in a way that was therapeutically relevant, it might make the burns a bit worse.

ALL "I AM NOT A DOCTOR" DISCLAIMERS APPLY!!
 
Razors come in our defib kits. Is that training wrong? Genuinely want to know from clinical folks.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
I actually did try to work in a boat happy reference, but then I thought I’d wait to see what others could come up with.


Guns were not provided at my school. Unbelievably, punching them in the side of the temple was one of the methods we were taught. Holding them under while holding them up was another. Mostly, we were taught how to escape from the deadly embrace (go down, not up or away. hold your arms close to your sides, twist).
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Jeebus!
I did life guard training through the school I worked at so we could have people who understood the autistic kids we worked with guarding the pools (in house at public) rather than your ordinary life guard who (unfortunately from experience) often overreacted and wanted them out the pool.
However the main thing I was taught to deal with a panicking rescuee was how to push them away. Nothing about rendering them unconscious :D
 
harpo said:
Razors come in our defib kits. Is that training wrong? Genuinely want to know from clinical folks.
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Nope. Excessive chest hair can exacerbate transthoracic impedence, basically the body resisting or failing to fully conduct an electric current. Sometimes an AED will say 'pad fail' if the connection isn't good enough. The priority must always be delivering a shock, if appropriate, asap though. A less than adequate shock quickly is better than not :)
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
I did the silver and gold personal survival at school, that involved PJs and bricks, but was about personal survival, plus CPR. Then I did Bronze Medallion and worked as a lifeguard on a lake. Whilst taught actually getting in the water and physically man-handling someone would be the very last resort, at no time was battering them unconscious ever mooted.
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SImilarly a good swimmer here and did all live saving and survival awards whilst at school but didn't do formal lifeguard training. I have never, ever heard this before :confused: So, because I am curious like that I have also just googled it and no suggestion of it on the first 4 pages of links and videos that came up. Not one.

If anyone finds any mention of it anywhere please link to it.
 
Rebelda said:
You'd be surprised. It's also kinder for when you take them off :)
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I'm not v hairy but it's still pretty painful when they pull the buggers off (I'm obviously not quite hairy enough to qualify for a razor). :D

ps - it's not *that* painful
 
8ball said:
I'm not v hairy but it's still pretty painful when they pull the buggers off (I'm obviously not quite hairy enough to qualify for a razor). :D
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:D were your shocks planned (well yunno, as much as they can be on the 'might be necessary' list) or given in an emergency?
 
kittyP said:
Jeebus!
I did life guard training through the school I worked at so we could have people who understood the autistic kids we worked with guarding the pools (in house at public) rather than your ordinary life guard who (unfortunately from experience) often overreacted and wanted them out the pool.
However the main thing I was taught to deal with a panicking rescuee was how to push them away. Nothing about rendering them unconscious :D
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Well we didn't have to pass tests in it! But I clearly remember the class where the teacher explained to us why it might be needed, and how to do it, and also the mayhem that ensued when we started mock-practicing on each other (it was actually the girl who was pretending to drown and climb up ontop of her rescuer who caused the injuries though, which kinda proved the teacher's point). This was the same teacher who gave us detailed instructions about how to knee a boy in the goolies if he was being "fresh and frisky", as she put it.
 
Rebelda said:
:D were your shocks planned (well yunno, as much as they can be on the 'might be necessary' list) or given in an emergency?
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Most times were planned in the sense that I made it to A&E under my own steam and knew I needed a zap.
Your junior doctor types get a bit weirded out when you're gently talking them through the procedure - had it enough times to get a bit blase about it.
 
Rutita1 said:
SImilarly a good swimmer here and did all live saving and survival awards whilst at school but didn't do formal lifeguard training. I have never, ever heard this before :confused: So, because I am curious like that I have also just googled it and no suggestion of it on the first 4 pages of links and videos that came up. Not one.

If anyone finds any mention of it anywhere please link to it.
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I did say that I wondered if it was just this particular teacher's idea.

I'm sure it was far from formal training!
 
Rutita1 said:
SImilarly a good swimmer here and did all live saving and survival awards whilst at school but didn't do formal lifeguard training. I have never, ever heard this before :confused: So, because I am curious like that I have also just googled it and no suggestion of it on the first 4 pages of links and videos that came up. Not one.

If anyone finds any mention of it anywhere please link to it.
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Me either...

Because holding them under until they become unconcious is exactly like drowning them :hmm: I've got life formal lifeguarding certs. I live where the beach is a way of life. In a town where lots of people have pools. Every school has a pool.

Never heard of this before, or punching a drowning person upside the head!



SheilaNaGig I think you may have to think about this and perhaps think about what else you learnt from that teacher :hmm:

Happy to be proved wrong though :)
 
8ball said:
It does sound a little eccentric! :D
Did you ever have to verify that you could punch hard enough to reliably cause unconsciousness?
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We didn't know enough to ask that question. It was just very exciting to be taught to punch someone.

She was somewhat eccentric I suppose, although only by certain quite boring standards. She was a strong independent woman with no apparent dependents. And she had a partially-missing finger. And whenever anyone mentioned The Curse she'd say in a great ringing voice "It is not a curse, it is a blessing!"
 
ice-is-forming said:
Me either...

Because holding them under until they become unconcious is exactly like drowning them :hmm: I've got life formal lifeguarding certs. I live where the beach is a way of life. In a town where lots of people have pools. Every school has a pool.

Never heard of this before, or punching a drowning person upside the head!



SheilaNaGig I think you may have to think about this and perhaps think about what else you learnt from that teacher :hmm:

Happy to be proved wrong though :)
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She was famous far beyond her school duties. I think she became the standing head after I left (and after the headmaster and his wife had a fairly spectacular dual nervous breakdown that eventuated in a suicide pact that only led to the death of one of them).
 
ice-is-forming said:
Me either...

Because holding them under until they become unconcious is exactly like drowning them :hmm: I've got life formal lifeguarding certs. I live where the beach is a way of life. In a town where lots of people have pools. Every school has a pool.

Never heard of this before, or punching a drowning person upside the head!



SheilaNaGig I think you may have to think about this and perhaps think about what else you learnt from that teacher :hmm:

Happy to be proved wrong though :)
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Not.... holding them under exactly.... Although I have to admit I was never quite clear about this part of what she was telling us. The punching was quite enough to be getting on with.
 
8ball said:
Most times were planned in the sense that I made it to A&E under my own steam and knew I needed a zap.
Your junior doctor types get a bit weirded out when you're gently talking them through the procedure - had it enough times to get a bit blase about it.
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Ahh gotcha. So given in an emergency rather than a 'planned potential' in a cardiac lab. What rhythm do you go into? VT? /nosey
 
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