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SheilaNaGig said:
The gas that makes a body float is the result of putrefaction. Drowned people sink. Diving down to the bottom of the deep end to rescue a large rubber brick was part of our training.

Dead bodies pop up. That’s why burial at sea includes weights.

ETA and why the mafia make you stand in a bucket of quick drying cement before they push you off the pier.
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I forgot, it's the air in your lungs that keeps you afloat when alive and when that's gone... :facepalm:

Yeah we did the wearing pajamas and diving for a brick thing.
 
I recall being taught to approach from behind and grabbing them under their chins with one hand before pulling them towards the bank.

I also recall being taught how to jump in while keeping your head above water so you didn't lose sight of the person in trouble ..
 
SheilaNaGig said:
This makes me wonder if the water level was too low. If they couldn’t reach up to the edge to hold on, if they were exhausted from struggling, finding themselves stuck against the side of the pool without the strength or breath to swim to the steps or the other end, leap to reach the edge or to cry out for help. I can see that leading to death.
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it weird as the police and hotel have said no malfuction was found in the pool
and aslo no life guards were present on that pool as during the off season it deem that the pool is not used

why would you let your kids in if they could not swim properly
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Lifesaving was a huge deal at my school, we had teams that won national lifesaving competitions . Maybe it was unique to that school, maybe it’s an advanced skill, maybe our teacher was teaching outside the curriculum. No idea.
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I was brought up by the sea and local fundraising provided a swimming pool at one of the local schools where all kids were taught to swim and lifesave from an early age. We weren't told to try to render someone unconscious but we were told we might have to slap someone in the face and shout 'calm down' at them. Really not sure how effective a technique it is as thankfully I've never had to do it but 40 years on I reckon I could still do the one armed back stroke whilst bringing someone in balanced on you chest with your arm round their head.

A swimming pool is a very different environment from the sea though. I can't go in the sea without a lifejacket if I can't touch the seabed. It's not that I can't swim, it's the panic.
 
harpo said:
I was brought up by the sea and local fundraising provided a swimming pool at one of the local schools where all kids were taught to swim and lifesave from an early age. We weren't told to try to render someone unconscious but we were told we might have to slap someone in the face and shout 'calm down' at them. Really not sure how effective a technique it is as thankfully I've never had to do it but 40 years on I reckon I could still do the one armed back stroke whilst bringing someone in balanced on you chest with your arm round their head.

A swimming pool is a very different environment from the sea though. I can't go in the sea without a lifejacket if I can't touch the seabed. It's not that I can't swim, it's the panic.
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In the sea you slap them. Back on the boat you just have to shoot them :(
 
The swimming cap was found in the filter, I read. That in itself doesn't seem right.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Today’s news says this:

Britons who drowned at resort 'knew how to swim'


There seems to be some room for debate in there. The poor woman must be utterly beside herself. I suppose and hope an inquest will untangle things.








And drowning people can pull their rescuers under. I went to a school with a swimming pool and lifesaving lessons were mandatory. We were all taught how to render a drowning person unconscious if the need arose, so that they’d not pull us under too. No idea if this is standard, but we were all given this lesson.




ETA It’s really not unusual for rescuers to drown. It happens a lot. What’s really odd in this story is how it happened at a holiday resort
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2020 boathappy
 
true but they have you by the neck and are dragging you both down due to panicking

it might be the best outcome for both parties
 
harpo said:
I was brought up by the sea and local fundraising provided a swimming pool at one of the local schools where all kids were taught to swim and lifesave from an early age. We weren't told to try to render someone unconscious but we were told we might have to slap someone in the face and shout 'calm down' at them. Really not sure how effective a technique it is as thankfully I've never had to do it but 40 years on I reckon I could still do the one armed back stroke whilst bringing someone in balanced on you chest with your arm round their head.

A swimming pool is a very different environment from the sea though. I can't go in the sea without a lifejacket if I can't touch the seabed. It's not that I can't swim, it's the panic.
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We were told NOT to slap them. More splashing, more watery, thus adding to the general panic and confusion and the water means you won’t make clean sharp contact with their face. She also said that shouting at them was pointless and also it means that your own mouth would be open so if they pulled or pushed you under, you’d be at more risk of getting water in your own lungs.

They try to climb up onto you. So swim down.

The more I think about this, the more I wonder if our teacher had had firsthand experience of being pulled under by someone in trouble.
 
xenon said:
I forgot, it's the air in your lungs that keeps you afloat when alive and when that's gone... :facepalm:

Yeah we did the wearing pajamas and diving for a brick thing.
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Which is why you ignore the noisy person splashing at the surface and dive down to get the one who’s underwater. Pull them up by their hair if they’ve got enough. Pulling on their clothes can be weighty, or their clothes /swimmers pull off.
 
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SheilaNaGig said:
We were told NOT to slap them. More splashing, more watery, thus adding to the general panic and confusion and the water means you won’t make clean sharp contact with their face. She also said that shouting at them was pointless and also it means that your own mouth would be open so if they pulled or pushed you under, you’d be at more risk of getting water in your own lungs.

They try to climb up onto you. So swim down.

The more I think about this, the more I wonder if our teacher had had firsthand experience of being pulled under by someone in trouble.
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That sounds more sensible. Tbf we were 8 or 9 when learning this and it was the 70s when slapping people seemed to be received wisdom for any form of hysteria. I don't think it's ever done any good in any situation.
 
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weltweit said:
I recall being taught to approach from behind and grabbing them under their chins with one hand before pulling them towards the bank.

I also recall being taught how to jump in while keeping your head above water so you didn't lose sight of the person in trouble ..
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Yeah. Jump in with your legs apart and your arms outstretched.

Don’t suddenly reach around their neck from behind to grab their face/chin. More panic. We were taught to get our body in behind them, lean our foot or knees against their back while putting our arm over their shoulder and chest, then taking their chin. As soon as possible, explain what your doing. If you've positioned your leg or foot as an effective brace, you can pivot them on it so they're laying back in the water. If you just pull their face back towards you they panic. Youa need them to lay back in the water, which is the most counterintuitive thing they can do if they’re trying to keep their head above water.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Did you have to rescue the plastic body? We had the torso for CPR and resuscitation but rubber bricks, decoy stuff and other people for rescuing.
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simular to you i'm guessing swimming teachers were givin a bit of broad range due to personal experience

some of us had to go down for the plastic body if we could manage it

or maybe seeming as it was the early 90s the teacher was just a bit of an asshole
 
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