These Swimming Pool Deaths in Fuengirola ...

[harpo]

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That’s the main reason I didn’t mention it tbh.

Well I've learned important info from your posts in case I ever have to do it. I'd never rethought earlier training.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

That seems quite tricky when you're both bobbing up and down with arms flailing. Just imagine the poor drowner. Not only are you struggling to breath, but some cunts trying to lamp you

true but they have you by the neck and are dragging you both down due to panicking

it might be the best outcome for both parties

Swim down. Duck under. They’re trying to climb up on top of you so you take a lungful of air, bring your hands and arms in to your sides (or even over above your head : make yourself narrow and slippery) and sink under.

Punching them in the circumstances is highly unlikely to actually render them unconscious but it can distract them and startle them and disorient them enough so you can break free and hopefully get their attention so you can talk to them. You're trying to administer a swinging punch from the side, from the shoulder ( no floor to brace against, obvs).


I’m posting all this because y’never know, one day something here might be helpful to someone. eta Just seen your recent post harpo .

 

[nogojones]

Swim down. Duck under. They’re trying to climb up on top you so you take a lungful, bring your hands and arms in to your sides and sink under.

Punching them in the circumstances is highly unlikely to actually render them unconscious but it can distract them and startle them and disorient them enough so you can break free and hopefully get their attention so you can talk to them.


I’m posting all this because y’never know, one day something here might be helpful to someone.

I was a good swimmer as a kid, did all the lifesaving stuff, but don't remember the martial arts bits. Thankfully I've only had to use it once on a freind who was struggling in a lake. dragging them in, both on our backs like I was taught. Getting them up the bank seemed the hardest bit.

 

[tim]

On its own, small item like that being drawn in by the circulating water doesn't seem overly suspicious on face of it.

On its own, perhaps not, but when accompanied by three drowned people it would seem worthy of further enquiry.

The fact that the pool was reopened so quickly suggests that little investigation was undertaken. I couldn't imagine this happening so quickly in the UK, given the focus we now have on health and safety. It's all reminiscent of the attitude taken in "An enemy of the people/Jaws": cover up to protect the tourist industry.

It's also quite disrespectful to reopen so quickly. I wonder if they'd reopened so quickly if it had been members of a white family who had been killed.

 

[weltweit]

I reckon basic lifesaving and first aid should be taught as standard in schools.

I agree.

 

[harpo]

On its own, perhaps not, but when accompanied by three drowned people it would seem worthy of further enquiry.

The fact that the pool was reopened so quickly suggests that little investigation was undertaken. I couldn't imagine this happening so quickly in the UK, given the focus we now have on health and safety. It's all reminiscent of the attitude taken in "An enemy of the people/Jaws": cover up to protect the tourist industry.

It's also quite disrespectful to reopen so quickly. I wonder if they'd reopened so quickly if it had been members of a white family who had been killed.

This, and also, the whole scenario must've taken quite a while to play out, with lots of screaming and loud calls for help. What help came? How quickly?

 

[a_chap]

At school, are children still taught to swim? I know we had swimming lessons at school in the 70s.

There was also a TV advert campaign featuring well-known celebrity of the day urging parents to get their children taught.

Spoiler

 

[xenon]

Do swimming pools have an emergency filter cut-off switch?

 

[moomoo]

Such a tragedy.

 

[alex_]

On its own, perhaps not, but when accompanied by three drowned people it would seem worthy of further enquiry.

The fact that the pool was reopened so quickly suggests that little investigation was undertaken. I couldn't imagine this happening so quickly in the UK, given the focus we now have on health and safety. It's all reminiscent of the attitude taken in "An enemy of the people/Jaws": cover up to protect the tourist industry.

It's also quite disrespectful to reopen so quickly. I wonder if they'd reopened so quickly if it had been members of a white family who had been killed.

yes a police investigation concluding in 24 hours on Christmas Day seems pretty unlikely to be thorough

 

[harpo]

A resort opened across the road from my husband's childhood home in south Italy around 7 years go. Within the year it closed because someone had drowned in the pool. It's still in court because of the company denying everything. Fucking bastards.

 

[Riklet]

Its really awful.

I think the hotel and Spanish authorities have responded in a very insensitive and shit way. Something dodgy def happened

 

[komodo]

This is a horrific incident - water would have been cold - unheated pool - and father and brother jumped in suddenly - this could have been a factor. It’s very easy for panicking people to drown even if the could swim a bit. Small pool with a steep slope, probably not something the family were familiar with.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I did the silver and gold personal survival at school, that involved PJs and bricks, but was about personal survival, plus CPR. Then I did Bronze Medallion and worked as a lifeguard on a lake. Whilst taught actually getting in the water and physically man-handling someone would be the very last resort, at no time was battering them unconscious ever mooted.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And Christ knows what happened there in Spain, awful for all involved.

 

[xenon]

This is a horrific incident - water would have been cold - unheated pool - and father and brother jumped in suddenly - this could have been a factor. It’s very easy for panicking people to drown even if the could swim a bit. Small pool with a steep slope, probably not something the family were familiar with.

I didnt' realise it was unheated. When I was about 10, I jumped into an outdoor pool, It was supposed to be heated but I don't think it had been turned on yet. This was on a grey cool morning in the UK. I swear I nearly had a heart attack, pain in the chest anyway. Couldn't swim properly, managed to get out. Reckon that would kill me now days...

 

[miss direct]

I can't imagine swimming in December in an unheated pool. I'm in Turkey, so a similar(ish) climate to Spain, wouldn't get in a pool until July at the earliest. It's actually painful getting in, even in Spring.

 

[dylanredefined]

Cold shock can cause you to take a deep breathe lungs fill with water and that's you dead. Someone tries to drag you out.Fails and drowns as well. It could happen very quickly with little noise. Horrible.

Went into deep water wearing full kit very nearly drowned like those soldiers in saving
Private Ryan .Wouldnt have been missed till far too late.

 

[nogojones]

At school, are children still taught to swim? I know we had swimming lessons at school in the 70s.

There was also a TV advert campaign featuring well-known celebrity of the day urging parents to get their children taught.

Spoiler

I don't think they'd let him in a pool with kiddies now

 

[Duncan2]

You might think that an establishment with 52 pools (if I read that correctly) would have had in place a fairly rigorous system of supervision.And yet no-one,it would seem, has a clue how this tragedy occurred.

 

[passenger]

There would be deaths all over the world, if a lot of the reply`s on this
thread were true, I for one would have died in the winter of 81 in Bogner
at least 5 times for jumping into the sea and freezing Butlins swimming pools

 

[8ball]

I reckon basic lifesaving and first aid should be taught as standard in schools.

And:

* - how to tie a bow tie
* - how to start a fire using whatever is to hand
* - how to build a rudimentary IED

 

[MickiQ]

I did the silver and gold personal survival at school, that involved PJs and bricks, but was about personal survival, plus CPR. Then I did Bronze Medallion and worked as a lifeguard on a lake. Whilst taught actually getting in the water and physically man-handling someone would be the very last resort, at no time was battering them unconscious ever mooted.

I did the recovering bricks from the bottom of the pool whilst wearing my jimjams thing as well, I did wonder at the time why a brick would need saving from drowning but knew better than to ask.

 

[harpo]

And:

* - how to tie a bow tie
* - how to start a fire using whatever is to hand
* - how to build a rudimentary IED

We learned lifesaving as part of the official curriculum and starting fires unofficially. Not the other two.

 

[8ball]

We learned lifesaving as part of the official curriculum and starting fires unofficially. Not the other two.

I remember rescuing a rubber brick in my pyjamas. It was a lot more fun than the other lessons.
But yeah, that kind of thing plus CPR, basic first aid, what to in various conceivable emergencies etc. - that should all be on the school curriculum.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I did the recovering bricks from the bottom of the pool whilst wearing my jimjams thing as well, I did wonder at the time why a brick would need saving from drowning but knew better than to ask.

It was to demonstrate that you could swim to the bottom of the pool. The gold survival was hard, did it aged 10 and it nearly killed me, four poor sods failed it by not being able to climb out at the end unaided.

 

[8ball]

The gold survival was hard, did it aged 10 and it nearly killed me

A narrow pass, then.
But a pass it is.

Thinking about it, surely they're misrepresenting that award a bit if more than 30% of applicants survive.

 

[Steel Icarus]

On holiday in Sicily a couple of years ago I was walking in the pool with my daughter on my back when I got to the drop-off bit - no slope, just a drop from five feet deep to six foot six. I went under, got a mouthful of water, and have to say I panicked a bit, flailing to the side so much so the lifeguard fella asked me to give him a thumbs-up. And that was a warm pool, broad daylight, full of people. And I can swim fine.

 

[harpo]

I remember rescuing a rubber brick in my pyjamas. It was a lot more fun than the other lessons.
But yeah, that kind of thing plus CPR, basic first aid, what to in various conceivable emergencies etc. - that should all be on the school curriculum.

It certainly should be. I work in the the NHS these days. Resus and defib is mandatory every year and I'm an admin grade. That's how it should be.

 

[8ball]

It certainly should be. I work in the the NHS these days. Resus and defib is mandatory every year and I'm an admin grade. That's how it should be.

Defib training every year?
They're pretty shy about pushing those buttons, despite the fact that the newer machines pretty much do everything for you.