The war and "the left" - what do "we" do?

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm still no nearer understanding what twink means.

Don't fashjacket me, you fucking twink.

Am I doing it right?

 

[JimW]

I'm still no nearer understanding what twink means.

Don't fashjacket me, you fucking twink.

Am I doing it right?

My sense is that twink is broadly complementary to the person themselves - calling them fit - but not so much to their partner/pursuer - too old for them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

My sense is that twink is broadly complementary to the person themselves - calling them fit - but not so much to their partner/pursuer - too old for them.

Ah I see.

Don't fashjacket me, you twink-fucker.

That's horrible.

 

[danny la rouge]

Is "twinkjacketing" a term? It is now, I suppose.

I will lose my shit if nobody twinkjackets me.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm still no nearer understanding what twink means.

Don't fashjacket me, you fucking twink.

Am I doing it right?

No.

"Are you going to leave me for a twink? I didn't think you were that shallow!"

That's the example given in Collins, my dictionary of choice.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I will lose my shit if nobody twinkjackets me.

 

[JimW]

No.

"Are you going to leave me for a twink? I didn't think you were that shallow!"

That's the example given in Collins, my dictionary of choice.

Colin's left you for a twink? Sorry to hear it.

 

[Serge Forward]

This is making me feel even older

Indeed. I liked it when we used proper terms like "ecaf", "lallies", "national handbag", "naff" and "lilly law"

 

[hitmouse]

Just checked, and you can still get the "evil twink energy" shirts from Bad Gays.

 

[hitmouse]

My sense is that twink is broadly complementary to the person themselves - calling them fit - but not so much to their partner/pursuer - too old for them.

It's all contextual, innit? Like, it suggests boyishness rather than muscularity or whatever the word is. So if you were going into negotiations with Putin, and you tried to butter him up by calling him a twink, I feel like it could have the opposite effect.

 

[danny la rouge]

Just checked, and you can still get the "evil twink energy" shirts from Bad Gays.

I shall.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ordered.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's all contextual, innit? Like, it suggests boyishness rather than muscularity or whatever the word is.

Oh, OK. I thought it just meant young and hot but maybe a bit dim.

 

[redsquirrel]

Cristifcuffs piece - I've not had a chance to read it yet but may be of some use.

They are certainly right to criticise the conflation of states with workers in those states. Plenty of posts on U75, and elsewhere, making that mistake.

 

[Serge Forward]

Oh, OK. I thought it just meant young and hot but maybe a bit dim.

It's a young, slim, boyish looking chap. You ain't that, comrade. You probably want a t-shirt with a bear on it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Cristifcuffs piece - I've not had a chance to read it yet but may be of some use.

They are certainly right to criticise the conflation of states with workers in those states. Plenty of posts on U75, and elsewhere, making that mistake.

The title is correct. I’ll have a read later, cheers.

 

[Lurdan]

The same AF tweet which used the term 'fashjacket' referred to the alleged victim of said 'fashjacketing' as 'one of the absolute ballers of Anarchism in the UK'.

Being incredibly old I still associate 'baller' with it's hip hop usage implying someone who had achieved extremely high status, made 'loadsamoney' and who wasn't afraid to display it. Generally with subtexts of being very very male and a 'gangsta'. I can see some process of (absolutely not cultural appropriation guv) has led to this current kind of usage. But I can't begin to imagine how it could come to be sufficiently detached from the connotations of stardom and celebrity - even of 'peoples celebrities' 'people's stars' and "fucking legends" (pass the sick bag) - to become a compliment applied to an anarchist outside of some very ironical intent. You young people, eh.

In a different, and entirely unconnected, social media micro-community 'fash' doesn't mean fascist of course, it mean's fashion/fashionable. In that sense the person who posted that thread could presumably be described as being 'Fash AF' without any pejorative intent. Allegedly.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don’t think I’d say “fash” in either sense.

 

[andysays]

I don’t think I’d say “fash” in either sense.

dinna fash yersel, danny

(BTW, what the fuck has happened to this thread in the past few hours?)

 

[danny la rouge]

I think we’ve tacitly reached the point of agreeing that what “we” do is largely not going to make much difference in Ukraine.

(BTW, what the fuck has happened to this thread in the past few hours?)

See above.

 

[danny la rouge]

* There are other more serious and somber threads. We are awarding ourselves too much import if we think this is one.

 

[The39thStep]

I think we’ve tacitly reached the point of agreeing that what “we” do is largely not going to make much difference in Ukraine.

That’s pretty good progress for only a weeks discussion

 

[danny la rouge]

That’s pretty good progress for only a weeks discussion

We’re all growing up.

 

[Lurdan]

We’re all growing up.

I think I've reached the point where I'm starting to grow down again.

 

[Serge Forward]

We’re all growing up.

Never!!!

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Well it is post colonial obviously but I don’t think there's much to be gained from like eg labelling Russians in Moldova etc 'settlers'

I know what you mean. If people have grown up somewhere then it's their home. But Russian speakers were settled all around the borders of the old Soviet Union, on the Finnish border, in the Baltic states, in Kaliningrad, in Moldova and Transnistria, in the Caucasus, Kazakhstan, Sakhalin. Very few ever learnt the languages of their new fellow citizens. So labelling them as 'other' from their compatriots will achieve nothing. Hopefully they will be able to adopt and identify with their new nationalities rather than cling on to an imperialist Russian identity.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I know what you mean. If people have grown up somewhere then it's their home. But Russian speakers were settled all around the borders of the old Soviet Union, on the Finnish border, in the Baltic states, in Kaliningrad, in Moldova and Transnistria, in the Caucasus, Kazakhstan, Sakhalin. Very few ever learnt the languages of their new fellow citizens. So labelling them as 'other' from their compatriots will achieve nothing. Hopefully they will be able to adopt and identify with their new nationalities rather than cling on to an imperialist Russian identity.

It can be a delicate balance in what is often a very difficult and fraught situation. But this is where ethno-nationalism shows itself up as a dead end. For instance, the language requirements for citizenship of the Baltic states, which have left hundreds of thousands of people stateless, are not the way to do it. Ultimately these are simply economic migrants and the descendants of economic migrants. They are not the enemy.

 

[RD2003]

It can be a delicate balance in what is often a very difficult and fraught situation. But this is where ethno-nationalism shows itself up as a dead end. For instance, the language requirements for citizenship of the Baltic states, which have left hundreds of thousands of people stateless, are not the way to do it. Ultimately these are simply economic migrants and the descendants of economic migrants. They are not the enemy.

But it is what will give the Putin regime the chance to throw around accusations of 'fascism.'

This was happening as far back as the end of the USSR.

 

[frogwoman]

I know what you mean. If people have grown up somewhere then it's their home. But Russian speakers were settled all around the borders of the old Soviet Union, on the Finnish border, in the Baltic states, in Kaliningrad, in Moldova and Transnistria, in the Caucasus, Kazakhstan, Sakhalin. Very few ever learnt the languages of their new fellow citizens. So labelling them as 'other' from their compatriots will achieve nothing. Hopefully they will be able to adopt and identify with their new nationalities rather than cling on to an imperialist Russian identity.

Not just that though. For various reasons minorities such as Jews, Roma etc in those places often learn and speak Russian rather than the 'original' language of the area. Eg Moldovan Jewish community is mostly Russian speaking

 

[frogwoman]

What I'm saying it's a very bad idea for American style radlibs to start labelling random Russians in these places as colonists etc, for a start that's not how Soviet colonialism worked. Russian and Russian speaking communities also existed in these places for centuries well before the USSR too, likewise with Ukrainians in what's now Russia too