The war and "the left" - what do "we" do?

[frogwoman]

bollocks are you auld

I felt pretty old reading that red flags thing even though I had less issues with the content than a lot of you

 

[frogwoman]

For what it's worth I'm really not sure I agree that Russia is best looked at through a 'decolonial' framework like eg UK and India, parts of Africa etc. as some people are suggesting.

 

[JimW]

It's derived from the term badjacket, I presume.

 

[frogwoman]

Well it is post colonial obviously but I don’t think there's much to be gained from like eg labelling Russians in Moldova etc 'settlers'

 

[Sue]

Yeah I think a lot of this is like weird generational differences that I'm gonna complain about cos I'm old.

I was at a thing last night where the compere referred to a woman as a 'twink'. Me and my oldster friends were like .

 

[chilango]

I do wonder if we might need to do something along the lines of revitalising CND seeing the blasé talk of "tactical nukes".

 

[Serge Forward]

I was at a thing last night where the compere referred to a woman as a 'twink'. Me and my oldster friends were like .

Hmm... what is this new meaning of "twink" then? Did the compere refer to any women there as a "bear" etc?

 

[Pickman's model]

For what it's worth I'm really not sure I agree that Russia is best looked at through a 'decolonial' framework like eg UK and India, parts of Africa etc. as some people are suggesting.

yeh some people who don't know what the actual fuck they're talking about

 

[danny la rouge]

I was at a thing last night where the compere referred to a woman as a 'twink'. Me and my oldster friends were like .

American wrapped cake. Like small Swiss roll with synthetic cream filling.

 

[JimW]

American wrapped cake. Like small Swiss roll with synthetic cream filling.

Like Tommy Fashjacket used to eat in Miami Vice when on stakeout.

 

[danny la rouge]

Like Tommy Fashjacket used to eat in Miami Vice when on stakeout.

I only remember Crockett and Tubbs. I wasn’t a regular viewer.

 

[hitmouse]

Was not expecting this turn of events, but it seems like we're now dangerously close to having a round of "is it appropriation for bi women to use the terms butch/femme?" discourse break out here.

 

[frogwoman]

No. HTH

 

[danny la rouge]

Was not expecting this turn of events, but it seems like we're now dangerously close to having a round of "is it appropriation for bi women to use the terms butch/femme?" discourse break out here.

We are? I honestly had no idea.

 

[hitmouse]

No. HTH

What if they're Russian bi women in Moldova though?

 

[Pickman's model]

What if they're Russian bi women in Moldova though?

what if they are? what of it? eh? eh?

 

[Sue]

Was not expecting this turn of events, but it seems like we're now dangerously close to having a round of "is it appropriation for bi women to use the terms butch/femme?" discourse break out here.

It was a transwoman using it about a cis, straight woman if that helps any? (I've never heard it used about a woman before which was kind of my point about how out of touch I obvs am .)

 

[JimW]

Women on the verge of a nervous takedown.

 

[hitmouse]

It was a transwoman using it about a cis, straight woman if that helps any? (I've never heard it used about a woman before.)

Yeah, I feel like it's not that unusual in (some) queer circles for people to kind of play around with gendered terminology like that? I dunno, I don't call that many women twinks on a day-to-day basis but I wouldn't immediately raise an eyebrow at it, I think I know at least one theyfab who uses the term?

 

[frogwoman]

This is making me feel even older

 

[frogwoman]

Tbh I'm not really that involved in 'the queer community' at all I didn't even know what a twink was until a couple of years ago I think.

 

[hitmouse]

Is "twinkjacketing" a term? It is now, I suppose.

 

[danny la rouge]

It was a transwoman using it about a cis, straight woman if that helps any? (I've never heard it used about a woman before which was kind of my point about how out of touch I obvs am .)

Indeed. I have never heard it used in real life. But I did hear it on an American sit com (possibly Grace and Frankie) when an older gay character was worried about his partner getting a younger lover. The younger man was the twink.

From your anecdote I deduce the term has broadened to include other sexualities and gender identities. It seems a bit ageist though.

 

[frogwoman]

I thought it described someone with like a young looking slim physique, not necessarily young tho? I'm no expert in these things tho lol. And nah I don't think it's ageist.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbh I'm not really that involved in 'the queer community' at all I didn't even know what a twink was until a couple of years ago I think.

nor i until a couple of minutes ago

 

[_Russ_]

American wrapped cake. Like small Swiss roll with synthetic cream filling.

Twinkies they are pure calories devoid of nutritional content (and disgusting)

Tbh I'm not really that involved in 'the queer community' at all I didn't even know what a twink was until a couple of years ago I think.

I still don't and going by this conversation I have zero desire to find out

 

[danny la rouge]

I thought it described someone with like a young looking slim physique, not necessarily young tho? I'm no expert in these things tho lol. And nah I don't think it's ageist.

Like I say, my sole experience of the term is an American sitcom and this thread today.

My sole experience of fashjacket is the AF Twitter feed which I saw today. I don’t think I’ll be saying twink or fashjacket.

(I rarely if ever understand the AF Twitter feed and never read it unless it’s brought to my attention for some reason).

 

[frogwoman]

I still don't and going by this conversation I have zero desire to find out

That's nice.

 

[danny la rouge]

I think we’ve tacitly reached the point of agreeing that what “we” do is largely not going to make much difference in Ukraine.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is "twinkjacketing" a term? It is now, I suppose.

Bear-faced lies