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"the UK is finished"

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"Outside frontline politics, few people can move financial markets simply by opening their mouths. One such is Jim Rogers, an American investment guru who yesterday pushed Britain deeper into gloom and austerity with apocalyptic words about the pound and the country's economy.

Hours after the Prime Minister pledged hundreds of billions of pounds to sustain Britain's banks, Mr Rogers added vinegar to the already souring international sentiment about the rescue plan, its impact on the public purse and its capacity to cure the sickening economy.

“I would urge you to sell any sterling you might have,” Mr Rogers advised his army of investment followers. “It's finished. I hate to say it, but I would not put any money in the UK.” "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agxlt5ZPtyLA&refer=home

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5555898.ece

http://www.citywire.co.uk/personal/-/blogs/money-blog/content.aspx?ID=326733
 
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Cunt.
 
The UK might be completely fucked, but it will take more than the words of one of the chief wankers who caused this mess in the first place to convince me of it.
Let's face it, it was NuLab's listening to them that caused the problems in the first place - I don't know of a single person who considers themself even remotely of the left that ever thought PFI would be a good idea, f'rinstance. But I know plenty who hoped that 1997 would bring a reversal of Thatcherite monetarism, not an extension of it. :mad:
 
This possibility has been apparent for a while now. People like him saying it does make it more likely to occur. Maybe we will somehow dodge the worst but Im one of the gloomy people that have been predicting doom here for ages. No point panicking, but its good to at least be aware of the possibility so it isnt such a shock if it happens.
 
The UK might be completely fucked, but it will take more than the words of one of the chief wankers who caused this mess in the first place to convince me of it.
Let's face it, it was NuLab's listening to them that caused the problems in the first place - I don't know of a single person who considers themself even remotely of the left that ever thought PFI would be a good idea, f'rinstance. But I know plenty who hoped that 1997 would bring a reversal of Thatcherite monetarism, not an extension of it. :mad:

It's not you he's trying to convince. He only needs to persuade a handful of his mega-tycoon pals to steer clear of investing in the UK and that's pretty much us fucked :(
 
He's saying it to manipulate the markets so he'll make a packet, the greedy arse. Sorus mkII
 
What kind of person must you have to be to attempt, apparently for your own amusement, to stitch up an entire nation and plunge millions upon millions of people into poverty? This is a succesful man remember, the sort we're supposed to aspire to be like. Well if I leave this world in a gutter after years of robbing pensioners to feed my heroin addiction then I still won't have sunk as low as this utter cunt :mad:
 
The UK is perfectly capable of becoming a decent place to live. Just not while we let shits like this Jim Rogers guy have power over our lives.

The fucker is probably trying to crash the pound or something so he can make money betting the pound will crash.
 
And as for those who dragged us kicking and screaming into a system whereby everything runs on imaginary numbers and one man's word can go a long way towards ruining the lot of us, well there aren't enough angry smilies in the whole fucking internet tbh.
 
Nah. It comes and goes in cycles. There might indeed be hard times ahead, but if the recession gets rid of a few surplus parasites and makes people change some of their wasteful and opulent habits, good will come of it eventually.
 
And as for those who dragged us kicking and screaming into a system whereby everything runs on imaginary numbers and one man's word can go a long way towards ruining the lot of us, well there aren't enough angry smilies in the whole fucking internet tbh.

Well thats the bit that gets me. If the UK goes plop then I wont be blaming it all on this bloke, after all it would be hard for him to say the UK was a great investment at the moment. He may be a catalyst that speeds our fall, but it is really the fundamentals being so poor that will doom us.

But yeah, markets and those who use them for massive advantage, are going to show their ugliest side again, I wonder if this will end the love affair with them for a long time.
 
The world economy has changed its nature. Since the early 1970s it has become highly unstable and has favoured the rich over the poor. Unfortunately, even if politicians accepted this, there would be very little they could do.

For a quarter of a century after World War II, most young men in Britain, almost regardless of their level of ability and education, could confidently assume that they could find themselves some sort of job within a few hours whenever they needed one. Admittedly, the job might be utterly boring and without prospects, but nevertheless it would provide them enough income on which to live remarkably well. It was a marvellous time to start out in life.

But a sea-change took place at the beginning of the 1970s and twenty years later roughly a third of the men aged between 18 and 24 were either unemployed or 'economically inactive'- a term applied to those people without work who have given up what governments see as their economic function of keeping wage rates down by continual job-hunting, and who have thus made themselves ineligible for the dole. At any one time an estimated 100,000 young men were homeless as a result of inadequate incomes, some sleeping on city streets, while theft, the crime for which this age-group is most frequently responsible, almost tripled between 1971 and 19923 . "For many youngsters, crime has become a matter of survival in this new society which appears to cater only for the winners" Stewart Lansley of the Henley Centre for Forecasting wrote . "Today, denial of the new trappings of consumerism means a denial of full citizenship.... The result has been a growing lack of community cohesion and a declining sense of social commitment."

Despair engendered by poverty and involuntary idleness drove increasing numbers of young men to suicide: in 1992, 500 males aged between 18 and 24 killed themselves in Britain, 80% more than ten years earlier. Indeed, suicide became the second most common cause of death for all young people. Other age-groups were affected by the rise in unemployment, of course, but it struck most harshly at the young who, right across the EC, were twice as likely to be jobless as anyone else of an age to work. In France, for example, in 1995, 45% of those leaving school with their baccalaureate and 80% of those without any exam successes were unemployed nine months later. Robert Castel, a sociologist, was not alone when he warned of the danger of society breaking down.

What had gone wrong? How did an economic system which had enabled Britain to keep overall unemployment between 1.2% and 2.1% of the working population from 1945 to 1970 alter to such an extent that later governments were entirely unable to hold the problem in check? <snip>

In the meantime, the outlook for many people is grim. In a state of increasing desperation, our present political leaders and their immediate successors will try ever harder to make their collapsing creation work, hoping rather than believing that the world economy will suddenly start to work perfectly and a more general prosperity will return once the few remaining trade barriers have been brought down, the burden of tax and social spending cut and the intensity of competition heightened further. This is a forlorn hope. All that will happen is that more and more people will be excluded from full participation in the mainstream economic system. Unemployment will mount rapidly and generate even more crime and misery as social welfare payments are whittled away. Too lazy or complacent to seek alternatives, politicians, academics and commentators will cheer this immiseration on, arguing that the more rapidly a country adjusts to world market conditions by getting its wages and other costs down, the brighter its future will be.

"The most worrying aspect of the present crisis is that, for the first time in history, the rich no longer need the poor" Pierre Calame, the president of the Foundation for the Progress of Man told a conference I attended in Paris in June 1993. He went on to explain that, in the past, the rich had always needed the poor - as servants, to grow food, to build their houses and to make the goods that they required. Now, however, many of the jobs that the poor had done were performed by machines and, as far as the rich were concerned, it was unnecessary for as many people as previously to be retained within the economic system. The surplus was therefore being expelled and maintained in limbo at the lowest level of public support possible without them becoming a serious threat to the well-being and equanimity of the better-off.

But if the rich can manage without the poor as a result of technology, can the poor manage without the rich? I believe they can, and the ways in which they can do so are what the rest of this book is about.

http://www.feasta.org/documents/shortcircuit/contents.html
 
Nah. It comes and goes in cycles. There might indeed be hard times ahead, but if the recession gets rid of a few surplus parasites and makes people change some of their wasteful and opulent habits, good will come of it eventually.

Yeah, eventually. But people are suffering now because of surplus cunts like him and rest of his ilk, he doesn't care that what he says might ruin peoples lives and their livelihoods because they are sitting pretty and raking billions in on the biggest casino binge ever.
 
He's saying it to manipulate the markets so he'll make a packet, the greedy arse. Sorus mkII
In 1970, Rogers joined Arnhold & S. Bleichroeder, where he met George Soros. That same year, Rogers and Soros founded the Quantum Fund. During the following 10 years the portfolio gained 4200% while the S&P advanced about 47%.[1] It was one of the first truly international funds.
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Close but no cigar. He was the other half of Soros Mk I.

And he is not offering investment advice as a public service.
 
I've been watching that BBC2 thing about traders on Mondays, and what really strikes me is the random/gambling nature the whole world economy is based on. If you bet on, say, home win on Man U against Dulwich Hamlet in the FA Cup, your money appears much safer than if you speculate on the world's markets.

If the current financial crisis is the death knell for neo-liberal insanity, and brings forth a stronger desire for - at least partly - planned economies, it won't have been entirely a bad thing.
 
Get your money out and invest in where?

Dubai?
United States?
Spain?
Bulgaria?

Maybe Germany?

:)
 
"Outside frontline politics, few people can move financial markets simply by opening their mouths. One such is Jim Rogers, an American investment guru who yesterday pushed Britain deeper into gloom and austerity with apocalyptic words about the pound and the country's economy...
UK may be fucked, but USA is even more fucked. Not that such trivia inconvenience these money-juggling parasites and other aspiring organ donors.
:mad:

The order in which the dominoes fall is fairly insignificant.
What is significant is the death of consumer / capitalism. The conjuring trick that was the world economy has now been exposed as the giant pyramid scheme that it is and no amount of smoke or added mirrors will recreate the illusion:
Above all, the desperate measures of governments shine the brightest light of all. In their increasingly frantic attempts to rescue the illusion, they just serve to highlight to all the nature of the illusion itself. The printing of more paper is like trying to sneak another mirror onto a stage on which the lights are already shining - the illusion is already revealed.
link
 
"Outside frontline politics, few people can move financial markets simply by opening their mouths. One such is Jim Rogers, an American investment guru who yesterday pushed Britain deeper into gloom and austerity with apocalyptic words about the pound and the country's economy.

Hours after the Prime Minister pledged hundreds of billions of pounds to sustain Britain's banks, Mr Rogers added vinegar to the already souring international sentiment about the rescue plan, its impact on the public purse and its capacity to cure the sickening economy.

“I would urge you to sell any sterling you might have,” Mr Rogers advised his army of investment followers. “It's finished. I hate to say it, but I would not put any money in the UK.” "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agxlt5ZPtyLA&refer=home

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5555898.ece

http://www.citywire.co.uk/personal/-/blogs/money-blog/content.aspx?ID=326733

There isn't a single word here that is your own. This is a c&p from this site.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2009/01/20/jim-rogers-sell-any-sterling-you-might-have-its-finished/

How dishonest can one get?:D
 
Firstly, he hasn't pretended they were his own words - he clearly indicated that they were quotes by the use of quotation marks. Secondly, you have the wrong source, it's from the business section of the Times - a link included in the OP. Your link is the actual C&P - and it even sources it to the exact same Times article as Durruti so people don't get confused. So accusations of dishonesty are a little off when you're the one who has made the mistake.
 
IN a weeks time:

'Jim Rogers Indicted for Fraud.'

Since that seems to be the way these things go at the moment.
 
It's the Western alternative to having them whacked. That or 'finding' a load of kiddie porn on their computer...
 
obviously get into the heroin business we have troops on the ground planes and boats nice cash business sorted:mad::confused:
and previous as well:hmm:
 
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