The Trump presidency
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hipipol
Peckham Wry
Oddly, Jee Buss himself claimed to be around to break the link with a vengeful violent creator - his was the God of love....Very Old Testament Christianity, with the violent, vengeful God. They construct their White Jesus to be a chip off the old block.
Most Xtians thumping their holy comic quote from old Jewish prophets...
They cant seem to hand the "Love they neighbour" shit
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
hipipol
Peckham Wry
The music obviously, is very much of its time, but the images remind us of how demented the place has been for years.
Maybe keithy saw the Trumpish future and that's why he blew his brains out last year
Keith Emerson's death ruled suicide - BBC News
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Quoting revelations eh?
See how quickly the revisionist opportunists jumped in to turn it into a tool of control?
Paul, no fucking saint, but a good PR with an eye for the main chance I blame the most
JC himself was pretty much Essene in his statements and activities - grabbing the temple, bit like the GPO during the '16 - and with about the same effect - he ended up dead soon after
For someone who hated the structures of organised religion what we have now would make him weep
CrabbedOne
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Or Germany where the Hamburg Cell was based, now far more dangerously heaving with evil IS serving Syrians bent on taking citizenship and flooding over to the US to behead Christian babies. Or that festering hive of Radical Islamic Terrorism Londonstan where the police fear to tread into Muslim ghettos ruled by Sharia law and Satan. Or France... which is really bad, like terrible, completely out of control.
Give him time.
CRI
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Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees
President Donald Trump said in a new interview Friday that persecuted Christians will be given priority over other refugees seeking to enter the United States, saying they have been "horribly treated."
Speaking with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump said that it had been "impossible, or at least very tough" for Syrian Christians to enter the United States.
"If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair -- everybody was persecuted, in all fairness -- but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them."
President Donald Trump said in a new interview Friday that persecuted Christians will be given priority over other refugees seeking to enter the United States, saying they have been "horribly treated."
Speaking with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump said that it had been "impossible, or at least very tough" for Syrian Christians to enter the United States.
"If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair -- everybody was persecuted, in all fairness -- but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them."
CRI
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Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump
An ex-KGB chief suspected of helping the former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to compile his dossier on Donald Trump may have been murdered by the Kremlin and his death covered up. it has been claimed.
Oleg Erovinkin, a former general in the KGB and its successor the FSB, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day in mysterious circumstances.
Erovinkin was a key aide to Igor Sechin, a former deputy prime minister and now head of Rosneft, the state-owned oil company, who is repeatedly named in the dossier.
An ex-KGB chief suspected of helping the former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to compile his dossier on Donald Trump may have been murdered by the Kremlin and his death covered up. it has been claimed.
Oleg Erovinkin, a former general in the KGB and its successor the FSB, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day in mysterious circumstances.
Erovinkin was a key aide to Igor Sechin, a former deputy prime minister and now head of Rosneft, the state-owned oil company, who is repeatedly named in the dossier.
Cloo
Banana for scale
It totally is according to this writer who grew up in a 'Christofascist' family: I Was Trained for the Culture Wars in Home School, Awaiting Someone Like Mike Pence as a Messiah
TLDR - this girl grew up homeschooled in a RW Christianity that says people like them are taught need to outbreed everyone else to save America, they are schooled to be able to debate seemingly reasonably and rationally (albeit on narrow topics) so they don't seem too nutso initially. In her opinion, Trump is an outcome entirely planned by the Christian Right, not to get Trump in, but Pence, who would have been too RW Christian to win the vote standing for Pres. She claims there's a shit tonne of Christofascist types ready to come out of the woodwork and cheer on a ultra RW Christian Government led by Pence. In otheer words, Well hello there, Republic of Gilead.
CrabbedOne
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I would not assume Revelation is revisionist. At least not anymore than the rest of the New Testament. Revelation dates from the late 1st Century actually earlier than John and around the same time as Matthew and Luke. It clearly draws on Old Testament messianic works that Jesus would have been soaked in. Thats all after the apocalyptic events of the Jewish revolt in 70 AD. Paul's letters of the earliest bits written a couple of decades after Jesus's death even though Paul never met Jesus. Mark, still raw with grief, is written about a couple of decades later than that dated around 70 AD as well. In general it gets less Jewish and more Roman and more antisemitic as it gets later.
Jesus as a counter-culture hippy doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. The suicidal action hero Christ may be less far off. If any of the New Testament can be believed Jesus really didn't share the Essenes odd monkish ways reported by contemporaries. It's quite likely his disciples while he lived saw him as a Jewish Messiah and themselves being in the End of Days. Disappointing Messiahs are a recurrence in Jewish history. How can you have one almighty God and an unjust world? The End Times when the evildoer is punished and The Lord creates the Kingdom of Heaven are a psychological necessity of Monotheism. How do you deal with your heroic descended from David prophet's failure in life and the fall of The Temple but with resurrection and eventual vengeful return flaming sword in hand.
Custer circles the wagons and look at that signature -he is defo spiky.
What Donald Trump's Signature Says About Him
What Donald Trump's Signature Says About Him
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think you'll find Paul is famously a saint
Jesus in the temple really rather different from 1916 - where was his Roger Casement? Where was his plan for a revolt across all of Palestine etc etc etc.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
TBF there were few hippies at the GPO in Dublin mate so I make no ref to JC as some wafty hide in a cave type. John the Baptist seems have been Essene from what I have read_ correct me on that if that is no longer true - JC seems to have sought his approval so that ascetic fundamentalist world view seems to have been part of it but he was much more engaged - more like a Holy Warrior/Jesuit/Liberation Theology type.
"I would not assume Revelation is revisionist"
"It clearly draws on Old Testament messianic works that Jesus would have been soaked in"
In the few quotes and by his actions implies a break from that tradition
In that context I see rev as revisionist
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
The Easter Rising was just about as suicidal and unpopular at the time. Jesus at least never shot any looters.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If macneill hadn't issued the countermand a rather different 1916 might have ensued. And a bit more luck with the aud...
hipipol
Peckham Wry
WE are talking of 2000 years ago and after First Council of Nicaea where an orthodoxy was imposed that means pretty much all of the voices that could have espoused an anti Govt position were cut off at the knees - am off so cant continue this at the mo....
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Thing with politics, it has a habit of turning very unexpected very quickly. Mouthing off and signing executive orders is the easy part. When the consequences start turning up, thats when things get a little more sticky. You really think the majority of Americans want to see people who risked their lives as translators for their soldiers refused entry to the US on a whim? You really think that binning the affordable care act will have no consequences, his utter dogs breakfast of contrary economic policies, his highly cavalier approach to international trade?
There is a reason that the major political parties in democracies do not run campaigns like his. They care about elections in 4-5 years after getting elected. Politics in a democracy is really really hard, its not just a few slogans and some rushed executive decisions then you sit back and win forever. Americans are not all racists, "hill billies" and "red necks". One week in and consequences are happening. Does not bode well for the next 4 years for Trump.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
The Kirkpatrick doctrine has undergone a mutation, with a different 'enemy' in place of communist regimes
Burying the Kirkpatrick doctrine
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's the American people, not T'rump, who I am more concerned for. Not to mention the rest of us, who are above T'rump in my hierarchy of importance. Fuck the next four years, where will we be in four weeks?
CRI
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Yup - I wasn't homeschooled (it wasn't a thing in the 70's, and my parents were Democrats, and secretly agnostic), but I grew up in a rural, working class community dominated by values of the Christian Right. It's become increasingly extremist in the past 10 or 15 years. The county I come from has the dubious distinction of returning a higher margin of votes for Trump than any other in the state.
I've posted this article before, written by someone who also grew up in this kind of community, and it still is one of the best for explaining where a huge mass of Trump (actually Pence, but Trump will do for them in the mean time) support comes from. Depressingly, it explains why no matter how bad things will get as a result of Trump's decisions, they will stand firmly behind him.
I don't share your optimism, unfortunately. Trump/Pence supporters from the "heartland," don't care about visas of black, brown and/or Muslim people being cancelled. They've never met any, they don't live in their community, they've been conditioned all their life to think they are inferior and/or bad people. Few travel outside the US, so don't get the idea of having family in one country and working somewhere else. Most who have gone abroad have been in the military. Maybe they feel sympathy for translators, but I suspect few saw them as equal human beings. They'll justify a few people having to "go back home" is worth it for the safety of (white) Americans.
If Trump makes good on his threat to send troops onto the streets of Chicago, in the North of the same state, I suspect they'll actually cheer. Chicago represents everything people from where I come from aren't and do not want to be - progressive, urban, fast-paced, diverse. Chicago is also "dog whistle" for African American. The city and suburbs are mixed, but segregated along ethnic lines, with areas that are clearly Italian, Irish, Jewish, African, etc. It's the third largest city in the US. I can't stress enough how terrifying the existence of such a place is for most people I grew up with.
As other things get bad that will affect them directly - health insurance cancelled, food prices going up, they will find ways of blaming things other than Trump/Pence, even if it comes down to saying it's just random, but evidence of the "End of Days."
Cloo
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I predict black protesters being fired on by official forces during this presidency, and the official narrative being they were violent, which will be widely believed even if there is video evidence to the contrary. Also expected, more black people to be shot by white people who say they were in the midst of committing a crime/white person was defending themselves, and blind eyes being turned to this. doesn't begin to cover it.
doesn't begin to cover it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I predict a riotI predict black protesters being fired on by official forces during this presidency, and the official narrative being they were violent, which will be widely believed even if there is video evidence to the contrary. Also expected, more black people to be shot by white people who say they were in the midst of committing a crime/white person was defending themselves, and blind eyes being turned to this.
CRI
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This will happen, absolutely. Well, it's already been happening for years.I predict black protesters being fired on by official forces during this presidency, and the official narrative being they were violent, which will be widely believed even if there is video evidence to the contrary. Also expected, more black people to be shot by white people who say they were in the midst of committing a crime/white person was defending themselves, and blind eyes being turned to this.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Someone has suggested that this ban may include people like Mo Farah?
I have not looked at the details though to confirm or deny it.
I have not looked at the details though to confirm or deny it.
CRI
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Chaos Breaks Out in the Wake of Trump's "Muslim Ban”
Not a riot, but Trump's camp will spin it as such if there is any "trouble."
People travelling on passports from any of the 7 countries are being turned back, regardless of the reason for travelling. That includes people who have permanent residency with homes, jobs and families in the US who may have been outside the US on business or holiday. US citizens who also have nationality in one of the 7 countries also appear to be being detained. Detaining US citizens is a new and frightening step.
There will be others like this poor lass.
Hamaseh Tayari, a UK resident who holds an Iranian passport, has been on holiday in Costa Rica with her boyfriend for the last week. She was due to fly back to Glasgow, where she works as a vet, this morning but was denied entry onto the flight because her flight went via New York and she would need a transit visa, which was revoked.
Tayari, who grew up in Italy, has never experienced anything like this. She says: “This has really shocked me. We just discovered [what Trump did] at the airport when we went to check in. I want people to know that this is not just happening to refugees. I am a graduate and I have a PhD. It has happened to a person who is working and who pays tax.”
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