The Trump presidency

[CRI]

Someone has suggested that this ban may include people like Mo Farah?

I have not looked at the details though to confirm or deny it.

Yes, it would, if he still has Somali nationality, even if he's a British national, too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Chaos Breaks Out in the Wake of Trump's "Muslim Ban”

Not a riot, but Trump's camp will spin it as such if there is any "trouble."

People travelling on passports from any of the 7 countries are being turned back, regardless of the reason for travelling. That includes people who have permanent residency with homes, jobs and families in the US who may have been outside the US on business or holiday. US citizens who also have nationality in one of the 7 countries also appear to be being detained. Detaining US citizens is a new and frightening step.

There will be others like this poor lass.

Hamaseh Tayari, a UK resident who holds an Iranian passport, has been on holiday in Costa Rica with her boyfriend for the last week. She was due to fly back to Glasgow, where she works as a vet, this morning but was denied entry onto the flight because her flight went via New York and she would need a transit visa, which was revoked.

Tayari, who grew up in Italy, has never experienced anything like this. She says: “This has really shocked me. We just discovered [what Trump did] at the airport when we went to check in. I want people to know that this is not just happening to refugees. I am a graduate and I have a PhD. It has happened to a person who is working and who pays tax.”

Not sure the PhD or the employment relevant

 

[Old Spark]

America has history on banning immigrants.

Emergency Quota Act - Wikipedia

Immigration Act of 1924 - Wikipedia

 

[CRI]

Not sure the PhD or the employment relevant

I was waiting for someone to bring that up, like it's the most important thing about the story.

 

[CRI]

America has history on banning immigrants.

Emergency Quota Act - Wikipedia

Immigration Act of 1924 - Wikipedia

Not in my lifetime though, or in my late parents' lifetimes, either.

 

[brogdale]

Yes, it would, if he still has Somali nationality, even if he's a British national, too.

Also applies to Nadhim Zahawi MP.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was waiting for someone to bring that up, like it's the most important thing about the story.

It's they can't do things like this to me, I'm important

 

[CRI]

On one hand, I'm seeing reports where folk are saying, "Trump couldn't have imagined how his order would impact on people."

I'm thinking the opposite. Anyone with half a brain would realise if you instantly cancelled visas of so many people, some already in the air headed for the US, there would be chaos at airports, let alone outrage.

I think he and his "team" did this as a show of strength - a "look what the fuck I can do with a wave of my pen muthafuckas!" Even if the ACLU class action suit on behalf of two refugees who had visas denied at the last minute, even if it's overturned for being unconstitutional, he's caused chaos, cost people millions of dollars, caused frustration and distress, and he knows he can do something similar any time he wants to.

 

[Old Spark]

Not in my lifetime though, or in my late parents' lifetimes, either.

You sure,? the quotas were only abolished in 1965 by LBJ

Anyway dunno what the fuss is all about this executive order.Osama bin Laden and his family would have been ok .....

 

[CRI]

It's they can't do things like this to me, I'm important

Will you feel happier knowing that quite ordinary people who went to Secondary Moderns who are headed with the family for the Disneyland trip they've saved up for for years will also experience the same fate? Sheesh.

 

[CRI]

You sure,? the quotas were only abolished in 1965 by LBJ

Anyway dunno what the fuss is all about this executive order.Osama bin Laden and his family would have been ok .....

Apologies, I was a year old.

Other thing is this is affecting American citizens - that is a new thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Will you feel happier knowing that quite ordinary people who went to Secondary Moderns who are headed with the family for the Disneyland trip they've saved up for for years will also experience the same fate? Sheesh.

I'm talking about her attitude, not mine I will be happier when you engage brain

 

[J Ed]

Chaos Breaks Out in the Wake of Trump's "Muslim Ban”

Not a riot, but Trump's camp will spin it as such if there is any "trouble."

People travelling on passports from any of the 7 countries are being turned back, regardless of the reason for travelling. That includes people who have permanent residency with homes, jobs and families in the US who may have been outside the US on business or holiday. US citizens who also have nationality in one of the 7 countries also appear to be being detained. Detaining US citizens is a new and frightening step.

There will be others like this poor lass.

Hamaseh Tayari, a UK resident who holds an Iranian passport, has been on holiday in Costa Rica with her boyfriend for the last week. She was due to fly back to Glasgow, where she works as a vet, this morning but was denied entry onto the flight because her flight went via New York and she would need a transit visa, which was revoked.

Tayari, who grew up in Italy, has never experienced anything like this. She says: “This has really shocked me. We just discovered [what Trump did] at the airport when we went to check in. I want people to know that this is not just happening to refugees. I am a graduate and I have a PhD. It has happened to a person who is working and who pays tax.”

This

this is not just happening to refugees. I am a graduate and I have a PhD. It has happened to a person who is working and who pays tax

Is not good.

Nevertheless increasingly this disgusting legislation seems like it might serve as a catalyst for anti-gov action, it is just such a blatant example of racism and xenophobia. The fact that it applies to green card holders must surely be a warning sign to many people who would otherwise support it.

 

[CRI]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I'm at a loss about what so say about Trump's first week. I knew it would be horrendous, but the speed and intensity of his fascistic policies is even more terrifying that I'd imagined.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm at a loss about what so say about Trump's first week. I knew it would be horrendous, but the speed and intensity of his fascistic policies is even more terrifying that I'd imagined.

Wait till you see what next week holds

 

[CRI]

Don't think I can link, but there's a livestream of the protest at JFK airport on the Working Families Party facebook page.

 

[CRI]

Wait till you see what next week holds

Is suspect sending troops into Chicago is not too far down the list.

 

[J Ed]

Don't think I can link, but there's a livestream of the protest at JFK airport on the Working Families Party facebook page.

Direct link

 

[Casually Red]

Mays keeping her trap firmly shut . Despite all her bollocks yesterday about a special relationship enabling " friends " to talk frankly with one another .

Walkies time..little poodle .

 

[J Ed]

I don't think that these people are going away.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I'm at a loss about what so say about Trump's first week. I knew it would be horrendous, but the speed and intensity of his fascistic policies is even more terrifying that I'd imagined.

Its what he promised.

 

[J Ed]

Protesters at Dulles too

 

[CRI]

 

[NoXion]

It's the American people, not T'rump, who I am more concerned for. Not to mention the rest of us, who are above T'rump in my hierarchy of importance. Fuck the next four years, where will we be in four weeks?

What the fuck is this "T'rump" nonsense? Did he somehow mutate into a pulp sci-fi alien when I wasn't looking?

 

[agricola]

Wait till you see what next week holds

People will only be able to buy tiny gloves. Combs banned.

 

[DotCommunist]

the creation of two jewish lads, a character who spent a lot of his early years punching nazis in comic and radio.

where now e pluribus unum?

 

[J Ed]

All those people at JFK could cause some serious disruption if they walk a few metres forward....

 

[CrabbedOne]

TBF there were few hippies at the GPO in Dublin mate so I make no ref to JC as some wafty hide in a cave type. John the Baptist seems have been Essene from what I have read_ correct me on that if that is no longer true - JC seems to have sought his approval so that ascetic fundamentalist world view seems to have been part of it but he was much more engaged - more like a Holy Warrior/Jesuit/Liberation Theology type.
"I would not assume Revelation is revisionist"
"It clearly draws on Old Testament messianic works that Jesus would have been soaked in"
In the few quotes and by his actions implies a break from that tradition
In that context I see rev as revisionist

There were a fair few fairly deluded Celtic Twilight people at the GPO in 1916 embracing the necessity of regular blood sacrifice for mother Ireland. They were mostly of a very conservative temperament as well; those few Republicans that weren't were mostly dealt with ruthlessly in the civil war that eventually followed. This may be a bit Roman Catholic Holy Warrior but has very little to do with liberation theology.

According to contemporary accounts Essenes hid in what were basically desert monasteries abjuring the world as later ME Christians would. Quietists sometimes heavily armed according to the archeology. The 1st century is an era of crisis in Judaism as the Temple collapses and the Synagogue rises. Breaking with tradition is the Jewish tradition in this period. I'd tend to see Jesus as a dissenting Jew of his time informed by his rather multi-cultural Greco-Roman environment but not as much as the later "Catholic" Paul.

John the Baptist was by all accounts a very public figure with a similar suicidal trajectory to Jesus who supposedly recognised himself as the Messiah. The Essenes didn't and Jesus has often been confused with another Messiah figure in their writing. If the Dead Sea scrolls are are really theirs at all.

The obvious thing in the gospels is the momentum towards public suicide by Roman state. How Jesus's followers coped with that and trauma that followed is probably more interesting. The apocalyptic imagery of Revelation looks to me like a direct result of PTSD even more so than the earlier howl of grief in Mark. Great poetry often comes from pain and Revelation has a touch of the Bronze Age about it. For Evangelicals, who don't all read it so crudely, it's a core part of the message.

After all it's a walk in the park compared to:
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:2 KJV

 

[Pickman's model]

What the fuck is this "T'rump" nonsense? Did he somehow mutate into a pulp sci-fi alien when I wasn't looking?

T'rump - Yorkshire arse