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The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

gentlegreen said:
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Yeah, get that. Posted on an English speaking US news site in Japan, to keep up with what's happening here but it rapidly became a toxic experience. The right wing American presence here is horrific.

That said, there was a few decent souls in board, but not enough. The racism, antivaxxers and general nastiness took its toll and eventually bailed.
 
existentialist said:
I think fundies might have been before my involvement, but yes, the mid-West fash invasion was an absolute corker. "Someone" <stares around the place> tied them in knots, and started some kind of civil war amongst the board members, which resulted in one of the mods getting locked out of his own board :D :D :D
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I remember reading about that at TutB. I could never register and get my feet under the table as quick as others back then, just started a new job. But I did enjoy my own fairly minor mischeif on one of the UK fash sites, which was naive enough to have members email addresses displayed. Using them to sign them up for various newsletters on, Politically challenging topics, sent by their board mates...
 
Ĝasper said:
Some ordinary rank and file socialists have been saying things like that. I see certain things lefty celeb type leadership have said as the root. Example:

James Meadway (SWP educated, now Labour) - "The British left... collectively flunked the central challenge of covid politics. Failing, in its great majority, to oppose both mandatory vaccinations for NHS workers and vaccine passports was ... an offence against good public health management in favour of knee-jerk authoritarianism."

Meadway in Novara. Headline: "Vaccine Passports are still an Awful Idea: Say goodbye to the 1% of your life still free from surveillance"

Same line argued in Scotland by other SWP educated:

mate... the so called 'passport' is just an app on your phone with a QR code to prove vaccination/recent negative test/exemption... If someone can't use a phone they can show the paper certificate. why is that such a hassle? because your libertarian individual freedoms (to get other people sick) are being trampled on?

I am kind of anticipating being slated for this post, overlooking nuance etc. But collectivism vs individualism is what it comes down to for me. These nobs are only interested in saying outlandish nonsense to try and stay relevant as top table lefty slebs.

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I always thought Meadway was a dick.
 
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" “He wanted to wait and do more research,” Alvaro’s sister, Alma Hernandez, told KNBC-TV. “He Googled information. He didn’t want to believe everything that was on the news.” "

www.nbclosangeles.com

‘One Couldn’t Live Without the Other’: Married High School Sweethearts With COVID Die on Same Day

Family members are mourning a Southern California couple after they died on the same day due to complications from COVID-19.
www.nbclosangeles.com www.nbclosangeles.com


I'm halfway to weeping out of both sadness and anger.

"Alvaro, 44, and Sylvia, 42, leave behind yet another set of COVID orphans, this time four children. The two youngest are but teens themselves, as an online funding appeal stated."
 
Last night's visitor to my Paltalk room was clearly reasonably literate, but also clearly had never even bothered to learn what a virus was - let alone that there were FOUR vaccine technologies - and at least two in the UK and US ...

What a waste of Internet ...
 
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My regular was back in earlier for a sustained period and I realised I would need to start with "how old is the earth" - they at least said "millions", but refused to speculate where the oil and "gas" came from that they depended on ...
They refused even to google "four covid vaccine technologies" - see how I spoon-fed them ...

They've put one of my profile photos on their profile now and I'm trying to persuade them to put a link to my profile instead of "stupid is as stupid does...triple jabbed MORON injected with poison (covid shot)....smh"

The chat log is lengthy now - I promised that when the vaccine kills me I will get someone to upload my obituary to my PT profile ...
 
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So an Australian pops in and establishes themselves as antivax - because "experimental" and because of J&J and carcinogenic baby powder.... so once again I needed to establish parameters of time.

This one would barely confess to knowing if the earth was flat or vaguely spherical ... "you spoke about the earth i have no interest in it"
It's like they're afraid this Bristolian yokel is going to trick them with rhetoric ... crazy

They must surely realise that they don't have the slightest clue about ANYTHING.... as if their tenuous hold on "empowerment" is in believing themselves as "not sheeple" ...

I feel fairly sure my reasonably-well educated father was afraid of the Internet per se because he'd invested 70 years in the edicts of the Torygraph and making sure to vote Tory every time ...
 
The “appalling” scale of abuse, intimidation and threatening behaviour directed at the UK government’s scientific and medical advisers has been laid bare in a Guardian survey of experts working on the pandemic.

Dozens of UK advisers described incidents ranging from coordinated online attacks to death threats and acts of intimidation, such as photos being taken of their homes and shared online and suspicious packages arriving in the post, some containing items with messages scrawled on them.



Further harassment has included vitriolic tweets, emails and phone calls, hate mail, threats of violence, complaints sent to employers, referrals to the General Medical Council watchdog, offensive notes left on cars and abuse shouted through the letterbox. The police have brought charges in a small number of cases when individuals linked to specific threats were identified.
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www.theguardian.com

UK government’s Covid advisers enduring ‘tidal waves of abuse’

Exclusive: Guardian survey shows level of intimidation, including death threats, against scientific and medical advisers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 

Anti-vax Mom Who Said 'COVID Is Not Your Enemy, Fear Is' Dies From COVID​

crooksandliars.com

Anti-vax Mom Who Said 'COVID Is Not Your Enemy, Fear Is' Dies From COVID

Bridget Jackson, 29, of Port Huron, MI leaves behind three small children.
crooksandliars.com crooksandliars.com

Jackson filled her Facebook with inane memes about COVID and the vaccine, often with the bizarre notion that one should prioritize life instead of fear by remaining unvaccinated. For her, anyway, this made sense. Someone should have asked her what her three small children, all under age 10, would do without a mother, and that maybe just maybe they should be her priority instead of posting stupid Facebook memes. But it's too late for all that. She's dead and they're orphans.

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Arson (criminal damage by fire)​

Criminal Damage Act 1971, s.1(1) and (3)

Effective from: 01 October 2019

This is a Schedule 19 offence for the purposes of sections 274 and 285 (required life sentence for offence carrying life sentence) of the Sentencing Code.
Triable either way
Maximum when tried summarily: 6 months’ custody
Maximum when tried on indictment: Life
Offence range: Discharge – 8 years’ custody
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Arson (criminal damage by fire) – Sentencing

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Another visitor to my lonely pro-vaccine room on Paltalk.
Young chap - 30-something - I'd encountered before - lives in Bristol apparently - clearly above-average intelligence - somewhat arrogant - martial artist - obsessively raw organic vegan - invited me to his crypto room ...

So after I'd given him a condensed explanation of the history of vaccines and resistance to them as I understood it , the passive-aggressive shite comes out about a "revolving door between government / FDA / industry blah blah blah.. "but not a conspiracy ... oh I see I've triggered you ..."
I was explaining just how far we'd come in 1000 years - from people being happy to take the chance of being infected with smallpox, to the refinement of RNA and protein vaccines and that wasn't enough.
He even started talking about homeopathy ...

"Triggered" ? You bet - bounced and blocked - I hope he catches COVID and gets his "natural immunity" ...
 
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Ĝasper said:
Some ordinary rank and file socialists have been saying things like that. I see certain things lefty celeb type leadership have said as the root. Example:

James Meadway (SWP educated, now Labour) - "The British left... collectively flunked the central challenge of covid politics. Failing, in its great majority, to oppose both mandatory vaccinations for NHS workers and vaccine passports was ... an offence against good public health management in favour of knee-jerk authoritarianism."

Meadway in Novara. Headline: "Vaccine Passports are still an Awful Idea: Say goodbye to the 1% of your life still free from surveillance"

Same line argued in Scotland by other SWP educated:

mate... the so called 'passport' is just an app on your phone with a QR code to prove vaccination/recent negative test/exemption... If someone can't use a phone they can show the paper certificate. why is that such a hassle? because your libertarian individual freedoms (to get other people sick) are being trampled on?

I am kind of anticipating being slated for this post, overlooking nuance etc. But collectivism vs individualism is what it comes down to for me. These nobs are only interested in saying outlandish nonsense to try and stay relevant as top table lefty slebs.
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That article seems perfectly reasonable to me? Like, the conclusion is:
Mask wearing, regular testing, cash support for self-isolation and a properly funded NHS and social care services should all come far ahead of these supposedly quick fixes.
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That's hardly outlandish QAnon shit?

Anyway, was coming here to post this, have we had it here yet?
www.irehr.org

Facebook and COVID Denial ⋆ Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights

IREHR special report examines how Facebook is fueling another wave of far-right activism, insurrectionism, and violence.
www.irehr.org www.irehr.org
Not read it all but it looks interesting - found it mentioned here:
itsgoingdown.org

From “Race Realism” to Anti-Vaxx, How the Spread of Conspiracy Theories Has Helped the Far-Right Grow

An analysis of how the spread of mass disinformation has helped grow support for the far-Right. Back in October, an IT specialist named Rob Willis reached out to tech news web site Ars Technica. His conscience was troubling him, and he had a story to tell. Willis had spent a couple of years in...
itsgoingdown.org itsgoingdown.org

Oh, also links to another new Wu Ming text:
artsoftheworkingclass.org

A FEW THINGS WE NEED TO THROW AWAY IF WE WANT TO BEAT CONSPIRACISM IN OUR GAME

artsoftheworkingclass.org artsoftheworkingclass.org

We must get rid of the idea that those who trust vaccines are intelligent and virtuous and those who don't trust them are stupid and vicious. If we clear the field of such clichés, then we can understand that the problem is the prolonged lack in our societies of consistent and influential forces that could turn discontent into intelligent struggle, and turn conspiracism into sharp criticism of the dominant ideology, the economy, the system. That criticism is constantly being replaced by surrogates. Indeed, by unintentional parodies of criticism. That's what conspiracy fantasies are.

Beyond debunking

To simply “debunk” those fantasies doesn't work. Debunkers are constantly preaching to the converted. People who embrace a conspiracist view will never be convinced to drop their beliefs by proving that they're illogical and false. We need to go beyond debunking, and we'll never do it if we don't start by acknowledging that every conspiracy fantasy has a kernel of truth. After we acknowledge this, we can try to beat conspiracism in its game, nay, in our game: we have to be the first to intercept discontent, and satisfy the needs conspiracism usually exploits. We need narratives that are more intriguing than the fantasies we want to debunk.
Stories aimed at re-enchanting the world without blocking critical thought. Stories that show their stitches, i.e. that allow people to understand how they work, how they're constructed, so that they can construct more such stories themselves.
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petee said:
‘He poured gas on himself and on his car. It was on purpose,’ Ms O’Connor said.

‘He was screaming about mandates. He was screaming: no vax ID and throwing books.’

metro.co.uk

Man 'sets himself on fire in front of diners while screaming about Covid jabs'

He suffered life-threatening injuries.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
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Imagine he was screaming about voices in his head when he did this. Would so many of you be laughing then? Clearly this is a case of someone suffering from a serious psychological disorder, not just a 'loon' to be made fun of.

Some of you need to log off the internet and take look at yourself. The antivax angle on this story is most likely incidental to the events. Mental illness tends to manifest itself in a context dependent way, and if it wasn't for there being a pandemic his delusions would have taken some other form.

There is a real person in this story. Most likely with family and friends who love him.
 
hitmouse said:
That article seems perfectly reasonable to me? Like, the conclusion is:

That's hardly outlandish QAnon shit?
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"the thinking man's QAnon"

But in some long winded arguments and reasonable sounding conclusions, mixed in with other nonsense, and a headline like

Vaccine Passports are still an Awful Idea: Say goodbye to the 1% of your life still free from surveillance.
 
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