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The People's Iron Fist vs Imperialist Jackboots: Revolutionaries and Anti-Communists Clash in Cuba

Idris mentioned homeless street children being tortured and exterminated - a common practice across capitalist 'democracies' in Latin America. Have you any evidence this practice exists in Cuba? I doubt it because there are no street children in Cuba. As the UN Committee on Children's Rights noted in its last country report on Cuba: 'There were no street children or economic exploitation of children in Cuba. The economic, commercial and financial blockade by the United States and the continuing policy of hostility toward Cuba were the most serious and negative barriers, which for more than 50 years had caused economic damage exceeding US 750 billion dollars.'

Providing its entire population with housing is one of the many gains of the Cuban revolution, alongside universal healthcare, the eradication of illiteracy, low infant morality rates etc. I know these things aren't a big deal to stuck-up, toffy-nosed cunts like you, but they are the difference between life and death in the third world. Things have gotten really tough in Cuba lately, due in large part to COVID-19 and the tightening of the USA's terrorist economic warfare against the country.
I never said there were street children in Cuba ya prick (as you are well aware). I was referring to others that had died, particularly because of covid and lack of food and medicine in general, but also because of repression.

Using living standards as a justification for totalitarianism has been done many times before, with fascist Italy, Stalinist Russia, and Nazi Germany etc etc.

And it's wrong. You cock-ring.
 
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Cuba's economy is incredibly fragile. It collapsed after the fall of the Soviet Union and they just about saved themselves by whoring (in many cases literally :() the whole country out to tourism. Now Covid has dried up tourism and it has nothing to fall back on.

Again, Cuba is stuck. And I'm stuck regarding what it could do about that. My point regarding Angola wasn't to do with the relative merits of the conflict. It was to do with the priorities the Cuban regime has had over the decades, the things it has neglected when it had a capacity to act otherwise, such as when it was receiving free oil from the Soviet Union. Right now, it has no capacity to do a damn thing.

And the Cuban people have been expected to go along with all of this. Since the 1990s, they have been expected to allow themselves to be treated as second-class citizens in their own country, something with extremely uncomfortable parallels with the Batista era. What have they got for it? At some point, universal access to basic health care and basic education isn't enough. Going hungry yet again due to external world crises isn't good enough.
 
I never said there were street children in Cuba ya prick (as you are well aware). I was referring to others that had died, particularly because of covid and lack of food and medicine in general, but also because of repression.

Using living standards as a justification for totalitarianism has been done many times before, with fascist Italy, Stalinist Russia, and Nazi Germany etc etc.

And it's wrong. You cock-ring.

Class struggle was part and parcel of improved living standards in the Stalin era, just it wasn't in the shape or form you might prefer, with the extremely coercive state preventing concerted political action.
 
Statement from Black Rose/Rosa Negra Miami:

The current situation in Cuba began on the night of July 10th with reports of spontaneous protest in the city of Palma Soriano located in Santiago de Cuba. People began marching in the streets with pots and pans, protesting in a cacerolazo, amidst increasing blackouts, food shortages, and a public health crisis that had been bubbling up for some time.
As the numbers of covid infections and deaths began to rise at the beginning of this year, reports of desperate people left to die at home due to a lack of essential resources and supplies in hospitals began to be spread across the internet. The Cuban people were able to inform each other and the world as they were denied access to food and medicine, waited in long lines for minimal and overpriced goods, and endured prolonged periods of isolation due to the state’s inability to care for the converging crises. By the morning of July 11th, a wave of rebellion had been sparked across the island, making this popular uprising the most significant in decades.
This major crisis facing the Cuban people has been building up as a result of not only national state domination but also imperialist and otherwise antagonistic foreign states. This is especially clear with the tightening US embargo, recent restrictions on remittances, and in the calls for “humanitarian intervention.” This imposition over the people is the real ongoing legacy of states everywhere, and especially that of Cuba.
We, as anarchists, hope for every popular rebellion to become a revolutionary force towards final liberation from class exploitation and state domination. However, because of the authoritarian roots of Cuban state capitalism and the systematic co-optation of almost every form of opposition by the US government, class-based political organizations are practically non-existent in Cuba, making autonomous movement building a challenge.
As for the current social and humanitarian crisis, it is premature to forecast future developments. Still, we must acknowledge that if the popular protests in Cuba continue to develop into a more generalized rebellion, the current Cuban state and the Communist Party might be entering into its last stage. We believe popular power is emerging and has the capacity to defend its own autonomy, but we also fear both repression by the Cuban state and the ability for right-wing opposition to co-opt popular movements – both of which have already begun.
For example, in Miami, a blockade of a major freeway on July 13 stood for hours with the Cuban-American diaspora raising demands for US for military intervention. For us, this raises the question of how Cuban popular classes would benefit from a change of regime. Given the absence of self-organized popular organizations, we should expect that their struggle and this moment will only be exploited by capitalist and right-wing interests.
However, it is not out of the question to expect that, if the regime is defeated:
1) Cuban popular classes would recognize themselves as social actors with self-determination and capable of wielding social power – a reality rarely experienced by generations in Cuba for the last 60 years.
2) We will most likely see the replacement of the current regime with a new neoliberal colonial political administration but with a veneer of “democratic” rhetoric. Cuban exploited classes, however paradoxically, may gain more room for organizing while developing much needed class consciousness allowing authentic revolutionary tendencies and practices to grow. However, we are also aware that all of this may occur in a climate where many positive social changes introduced by the Cuban Revolution would be eliminated or eroded, and again, these popular classes that heroically fought an oppressive regime would be the ones bearing the worst part of this.
It is with these understanding that the road ahead is not an easy one. We send our love and international solidarity to the Cuban people. We demand freedom for all those arrested during the protests, accountability for the instances of murder and physical abuse, the restoration of internet services, and an end to the genocidal blockade. Our hopes are with you and we salute every attempt of popular social power, every rebellion, every insurrection and every protest for social liberation.
¡Arriba les que luchan!
❤️
🖤
✊🏽
 
Direct action against the red fascist regime seems to have been effective. I hope it continues:


HAVANA, July 14 (Reuters) - Cuba announced on Wednesday it was temporarily lifting restrictions on the amount of food and medicine travelers could bring into the country in an apparent small concession to demands by protesters who took to the street last weekend.

Thousands joined a wave of nationwide protests over shortages of basic goods, curbs on civil liberties and the government's handling of a surge in COVID-19 infections on Sunday, in the most significant unrest in decades in the Communist-run country.

The government blamed the unrest on U.S.-financed "counter-revolutionaries" exploiting hardship caused by the decades-old U.S. trade embargo that Washington tightened in the midst of the pandemic, pushing the Cuban economy to the brink.

Several countries and the United Nations have called on the government to respect citizens' right to express themselves. Others like Mexico have said the best way to help the Cuban people would be for the United States to ease sanctions.



In Cuba, a growing number of high-profile artists from salsa band Los Van Van to jazz pianist Chucho Valdes have criticized the authorities’ handling of the unrest, urging them to listen to protesters rather than fight them.

Intermittent internet outages that activists say were designed to tamp any further unrest eased slightly on Wednesday although access to social media and messaging services remained restricted.

Officials have blamed a campaign on social media under the hashtag #SOSCuba calling for humanitarian aid for fueling the protests, saying it was launched by U.S.-backed mercenaries seeking to destabilize the Communist-run country.


They compared the push to a U.S.-backed effort to send relief to Venezuela in 2019 that ended in a violent standoff on the Colombian border.


Still, one of the campaign's demands was for the government to lift customs restrictions on food, medicine and hygiene products that are lacking in the country amid its worst economic crisis since the fall of former ally the Soviet Union.

And Prime Minister Manuel Marrero said on Wednesday the government would do precisely that from next Monday, lifting restrictions until the year-end.


"It was a demand made by many travelers and it was necessary to take this decision," he said on a roundtable on state television, alongside President Miguel Diaz-Canel.

It was not immediately clear how much difference the move would make given that there are very few flights at the moment into the Caribbean island nation which is going through its worst coronavirus outbreak since the start of the pandemic.

Government critic Yoani Sanchez, who runs news website 14ymedio, was quick to tweet that such concessions would not be enough to appease those who had protested on Sunday.

"We do not want crumbs, we want freedom, and we want it nowwwww," she wrote. "The streets have spoken: we are not afraid."


Cubans say they have been frustrated by outages in mobile internet and restricted access to social media and messaging platforms since Sunday.

"It's been a bunch of days that noone has been able to connect," said Havana resident Andrea Lopez. "My husband is in Mexico and I haven't been able to speak with him."

More than 200 people were detained during or following the protests, according to exiled rights group Cubalex, and only a handful have been released so far.

Diaz-Canel said there were three kinds of protesters; counter-revolutionaries, criminals and those with legitimate frustrations. State-run television showed images of a crowd looting a store and another attacking an empty police car.


Interior ministry officials said in a program televised later that some of the detained would be pursued for crimes like incitement to violence, contempt, robbery and damage to public property, which carry lengthy prison sentences.


 
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Short statement in French:

Translated here:
There is a lot of turmoil that cannot be fit into a left-right schema. It is a people who are discovering their capacity to be more than a mere mass of support for a retrograde and cynical oligarchy which uses the words "revolution" and "anti-imperialism" to legitimize an ordinary despotism hardly different from any other tyranny. They are a people tired of "revolutionary" and "socialist" inequalities and privileges.
Cuba, in addition to being a museum of the global left, is a society with a state, police, repressors, privileged & marginalized peoples and a bureaucratic military oligarchy as greedy as any other. The fact we've had an enlightened and humanistic despot does not excuse him, nor his lasting heirs, from their despotism. A significant portion of the people say they've had enough. The American blockade must be lifted, the monopoly of the Castro oligarchy must end. It will be complicated & surely "impossible", but that's the most honest perspective I'm seeing.
Our companion Leonardo Romero is currently missing; he is an enemy of the Cuban state for having publicly written on a sign "Socialism yes, repression no!" His disappearance is the true face of this government.
 
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That has it about right, I think.

How you achieve it, I don't know. But it's the right way to look at things imo.
 
It's pretty laughable calling Cuba a "red fascist regime" whatever you think of the government.

It's clearly a dictatorship and not much has changed since 2018 politically.
There's clearly "human rights" issues.
There's clearly a huge economic crash currently, 11% fall in GDP
There's clearly currently one of the worst COVID19 rates in the Caribbean and central America
There's clearly big issues with food shortages and difficulty producing/importing food
There's clearly not a clear majority out protesting either way.
And there's clearly American intervention, Miami Cubans stirring shit up etc etc.

However...

There's clearly a hell of a lot of people who have it worse in other poor countries in the world.
 
It's pretty laughable calling Cuba a "red fascist regime" whatever you think of the government.

It's clearly a dictatorship and not much has changed since 2018 politically.
There's clearly "human rights" issues.
There's clearly a huge economic crash currently, 11% fall in GDP
There's clearly currently one of the worst COVID19 rates in the Caribbean and central America
There's clearly big issues with food shortages and difficulty producing/importing food
There's clearly not a clear majority out protesting either way.
And there's clearly American intervention, Miami Cubans stirring shit up etc etc.

However...

There's clearly a hell of a lot of people who have it worse in other poor countries in the world.
Yeah, what are the poverty stricken, hungry, medicine deprived, people of Cuba complaining about?

They're only living under a repressive totalitarian elite that has let covid run wild through the population while they get everything the people are deprived of, that's all.

:rolleyes: :facepalm:

Tankie, red fascist - it's the same thing and both describe the Cuban regime.
 
It's pretty laughable calling Cuba a "red fascist regime" whatever you think of the government.

It's clearly a dictatorship and not much has changed since 2018 politically.
There's clearly "human rights" issues.
There's clearly a huge economic crash currently, 11% fall in GDP
There's clearly currently one of the worst COVID19 rates in the Caribbean and central America
There's clearly big issues with food shortages and difficulty producing/importing food
There's clearly not a clear majority out protesting either way.
And there's clearly American intervention, Miami Cubans stirring shit up etc etc.

However...

There's clearly a hell of a lot of people who have it worse in other poor countries in the world.
This last bit isn't really true, not if things are now as bad as they were in 1992, a time, remember, when thousands were prepared to risk their and their families' lives to get out.

Thing is, where do you compare Cuba to? If I were going be dropped into a country and assigned a random place in its society, would I rather be a Haitian or a Cuban? Probably a Cuban. But you're really damning with faint praise if you defend Cuba by saying 'it's better than Haiti'. What about a Puerto Rican or a Cuban? Quite aside from 'average' people, I think I'd rather be a poor Puerto Rican than a poor Cuban. At least I'd have some options.
 
Yeah, what are the poverty stricken, hungry, medicine deprived, people of Cuba complaining about?

They're only living under a repressive totalitarian elite that has let covid run wild through the population while they get everything the people are deprived of, that's all.

:rolleyes: :facepalm:

Tankie, red fascist - it's the same thing and both describe the Cuban regime.

Anarkiddies of the world unite!
 
This last bit isn't really true, not if things are now as bad as they were in 1992, a time, remember, when thousands were prepared to risk their and their families' lives to get out.

Thing is, where do you compare Cuba to? If I were going be dropped into a country and assigned a random place in its society, would I rather be a Haitian or a Cuban? Probably a Cuban. But you're really damning with faint praise if you defend Cuba by saying 'it's better than Haiti'. What about a Puerto Rican or a Cuban? Quite aside from 'average' people, I think I'd rather be a poor Puerto Rican than a poor Cuban. At least I'd have some options.

Puerto Rico is a US territory, hardly a fair comparison.
 
SpineyNorman while I'd agree the term "red fascist" is incorrect, it's only about as incorrect as calling authoritarians like Johnson, Trump, Erdoğan and Bolsonaro fascists. So, although not fascist in theory, the history of Bolshevism in the Soviet Union and elsewhere is drenched in the blood of working people, with revolutionary socialists first against the wall (or sent off to labour/re-education/death camps). Combine this will the whole ultra-authoritarian, all-powerful "workers' state" then it's really not far from a form of (red) fascism in practice.

Now what were you saying about political illiteracy and the anarchist FAQ?
 
SpineyNorman while I'd agree the term "red fascist" is incorrect, it's only about as incorrect as calling authoritarians like Johnson, Trump, Erdoğan and Bolsonaro fascists. So, although not fascist in theory, the history of Bolshevism in the Soviet Union and elsewhere is drenched in the blood of working people, with revolutionary socialists first against the wall (or sent off to labour/re-education/death camps). Combine this will the whole ultra-authoritarian, all-powerful "workers' state" then it's really not far from a form of (red) fascism in practice.

Now what were you saying about political illiteracy and the anarchist FAQ?
But those who call Trump, Johnson et al fascists quite clearly are historically and politically illiterate, just like those who call Cuba 'red fascist'. Unless we're going to stretch the term fascism to cover all forms of authoritarianism and rob it of all descriptive power it's a complete misuse that obscures more than it explains and reminds me of a certain kind of breathless student anarchist evangelist that responds to all questions with anarchist FAQ links. That's what.

Cuba is clearly authoritarian and has a lot wrong with it. I fear what comes next will be far worse but that's a different question.
 
I'm not taking the piss out of anarchists by the way. I'd still describe myself as a Marxist but generally have more common ground with proper anarchists than I do most other Marxists. I'm just taking the piss out ducula and his playschool my mum's a fascist for making me eat my greens anarchotrendyism.
Some people are too easy to wind up
 
I get your point SpineyNorman, and inappropriate use of the term fascist can be somewhat annoying. But if we want to be ultra purist about it, we could also argue that Franco, Hitler, Salazar, etc. weren't really fascists either, and we should only apply the term to the ideology (rather than actual practice) of Mussolini's National Fascist Party. And there is also the popular use of fascist as an abuse word from many on the left (and others), and like it or not, it is what it is, but using "fascist" in that way doesn't make someone a political illiterate. Instead, we can think of terms like "red fascism" as a metaphor.

As for Count Cuckula, he is no political illiterate and his politics are far from the "anarchist swamp". He's a proper class struggle anarcho-communist, though yes, he does have a tendency to sometimes get carried away, shoot from the hip and end up putting his foot in his mouth :) Trust me though, he is one of the good guys.
 
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