existentialist
Tired and unemotional
And whoever finds fugitives in the bathroom, anyway???
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
I do not consent, I do not comply. They dragged me out of the shower and handcuffed me.
Superb! The arch-nobber Piers Corbyn has slogans like "do not consent, do not comply" on the inside of his jacket, like an anti-vax flasher.
I love the idea that these sovereign freemen genuinely seem to believe that by uttering these phrases, the forces of the State will back off and apologise politely in the face of these powerful magical incantations.
They strike me as people who have never had any interactions with the police that were less than polite and amicable...
Superb! The arch-nobber Piers Corbyn has slogans like "do not consent, do not comply" on the inside of his jacket, like an anti-vax flasher.I love the idea that these sovereign freemen genuinely seem to believe that by uttering these phrases, the forces of the State will back off and apologise politely in the face of these powerful magical incantations.
They strike me as people who have never had any interactions with the police that were less than polite and amicable...
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I do not consent, I do not comply. They dragged me out of the shower and handcuffed me.
I love the idea that these sovereign freemen genuinely seem to believe that by uttering these phrases, the forces of the State will back off and apologise politely in the face of these powerful magical incantations.
They strike me as people who have never had any interactions with the police that were less than polite and amicable...
The really mad bit is that they still seem to believe it even after they've tried it and seen the results.
some of them are entirely of the opinion to be refused access to somewhere, service is a massive infringement on their rights. they have fully signed up to the individualistic consumer, customer is always right. Special you’re worth it wank. The atomisation, rational consumer unit philosophy of late capitalism.
some of them that is. It is always worth realising not all people against taking the vaccine antivaccers. A point that has been made before, but it’s a bit close to home so felt like saying.
Kabbes Point is valid. We all need told now and then. And yeah if you’re up at the small hours winding yourself up about Tories. Probably time to re-evaluate your use of media and the Internet. Just for your own sake.
By which I don’t mean you. Generic.
Or troll the fuck out of them…
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
This is Singapore they're very unforgiving whatever you do.The defendant's "lawyer"
and the defendant:
Interesting though - does indeed act insanely which isn't a good idea in a court of law - they're very unforgiving.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
to be fair it is quite possible that he is going through some mental health issues, the fact that a letter from his family is what tipped the judge to send him for evaluation would point to that.
So possibly more a victim of the FOTL lot.
Still make for funny reading though.
So possibly more a victim of the FOTL lot.
Still make for funny reading though.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
In the UK where this sovereign freemen nonsense seems most prevalent (is it a thing in other countries?) I wonder what proportion of magistrates and judges have encountered this ‘defence’? Can imagine a magistrate at the start of a long day being faced with this bollocks sighing to her / himself and muttering “Oh Christ another FOTL dickhead, here we f***ing go again”
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
I think I remember reading that there have been 1k or so cases with not a single one being successful.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
In America they are considered a threat to cops. As they can have guns .
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Isn't that a slightly different thing in that to them it's more of an ideological belief that they're prepared to defend with violence rather than believing they've discovered some sort of ancient magic? So more realistic in a way, for all that they're dangerous armed loons.
bimble
floofy
Sorry a bit disconnected with what you're discussing but I am really curious, who has got an answer for how come higher income countries are more likely to be 'sceptical' about vaccine safety & efficiency?
Looked it up because am curious how come the Swiss are so anti vax and found this.
wellcome.org
It is full of surprising things.
eg) "There is no obvious global relationship between levels of science education and vaccine confidence. . In some places – like Northern Europe and Northern America – people with higher levels of science education are less likely to either strongly or somewhat disagree with the statement that vaccines are safe. "
Looked it up because am curious how come the Swiss are so anti vax and found this.
Chapter 5: Attitudes to vaccines | Wellcome Global Monitor 2018
The Wellcome Global Monitor is the world’s largest study into how people around the world think and feel about science and major health challenges.
It is full of surprising things.
eg) "There is no obvious global relationship between levels of science education and vaccine confidence. . In some places – like Northern Europe and Northern America – people with higher levels of science education are less likely to either strongly or somewhat disagree with the statement that vaccines are safe. "
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I mean, this is just off the top of my head, but I'm guessing maybe "lower income countries are more likely to have recent memories of diseases being eliminated by successful vaccine programs"? Like, I feel that maybe stuff like the big anti-tuberculosis, polio, and smallpox campaigns are not so much a part of recent memory in Europe but might be more recent outside it? I think?
bimble
floofy
Yep i think that is probably playing a part.
Trust in scientists, in general, and doctors & nurses particularly, seems to be the most reliable indicator they've identified, for people feeling that vaccines are safe. which trust is lower in richer countries possibly because we take access to healthcare more for granted and are more critical of services provided (?)
OR is it just access to youtube
Trust in scientists, in general, and doctors & nurses particularly, seems to be the most reliable indicator they've identified, for people feeling that vaccines are safe. which trust is lower in richer countries possibly because we take access to healthcare more for granted and are more critical of services provided (?)
OR is it just access to youtube
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
It's children's cartoon narrative baddy vs goody stuff. In this case natural vs, eh, unnatural.
(isn't everything "natural" ?)
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yep i think that is probably playing a part.
Trust in scientists, in general, and doctors & nurses particularly, seems to be the most reliable indicator they've identified, for people feeling that vaccines are safe. which trust is lower in richer countries possibly because we take access to healthcare more for granted and are more critical of services provided (?)
OR is it just access to youtube
I think the root is a combination of healthcare being taken for a granted, and a really advanced consumerist society where people expect absolutely everything to be a personal preference thing.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Some of the variations within similar countries are also interesting; the difference between the UK, and then Germany were quackery is widespread among doctors and mainstream medical care for example. (A friend of mine in Berlin changed their GP after his clinic started to post anti-vax and covid skeptical stuff on their website.) The NHS obviously makes a difference, as does the regulation and structure in which healthcare generally operates here.
bimble
floofy
Yep. France is number one in the world for anti vax attitudes, whilst we are pretty good here.
It is all quite interesting. Trajectory doesn’t look good if things continue as they are, a few bits out there on how childhood vaccination rates have plateaued in sub Saharan Africa in recent years due to rising hesitancy.
It is all quite interesting. Trajectory doesn’t look good if things continue as they are, a few bits out there on how childhood vaccination rates have plateaued in sub Saharan Africa in recent years due to rising hesitancy.
pug
Well-Known Member
As far as I know it was the latter that did the damage but undoubtably the former was happening to some extent as the guy was clearly parasitic.Fucksake.
Out of curiosity did the FOTLer type directly defraud them or was it more just pushing these stupid ideas on them?
They were vulnerable to it because they couldn't pay the mortgage and then rather than getting sensible financial advice went down the rabbit hole.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
THIS. We have more-or-less eliminated diseases like polio so we don't see relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbours etc who have been damaged by these illnesses, and (unlike 100 years ago) we don't know of family members who died from these diseases (e.g. one of my late Mum's brothers died of Spanish flu aged 8).
In developing world countries where the evidence for how terrible these diseases are is all around (e.g. an aunt or grandparent etc who is disabled by polio, or the knowledge is within living memory, that's a strong impetus for getting vaccinated. I seem to recall Bangladesh had a very high rate of 'compliance', 90%+
Anti-vaxx campaigns and beliefs are a pointless and dangerous luxury of the bored affluent West
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
You'd think that would be some sort of deterrent to someone who decides to mount a defence based on this gibberish: "Does it work? Has anyone ever got a not guilty using this argument?" "Er no man, but they were successful morally / on the astral level"
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's a fairly typical feature of conspiracy theory/loonery that there is no feedback from the output back to the input. So, when their preferred strategy doesn't work, there will always be some external factor that they can fold into their theory to account for the fact that it didn't work. What is inconceivable is that the theory has somehow failed in practice.
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