The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

[Des Kinvig]

There was an ethical vegan sacked a couple of years back for ratting out his employer the League of Cruel Sports for investing money in companies that carried out animal testing. The judge at the tribunal ruled that this was a reasonable thing to do in that case. That doesn't set any binding legal precedents but it can be pointed to in later cases as something to consider.
Veganism is not a protected characteristic and whilst employers clearly can't sack an employee for refusing to eat a beefburger it doesn't offer any protection in law. It is not impossible (but far from certain) that a High Court Judge MIGHT rule that being an ethical vegan protects you from any demand to be vaxxed BUT the claimant would have to prove before a court that he was indeed an ethical vegan and lying to the beak is a very stupid thing to do. (Judges are not easy people to fool)
AND any decision by a Judge can be overruled by Parliament modifying the law.
It's this thing with the care workers again, A care home can't demand staff be vaccinated unless it puts it in their employment contract and it can't alter existing contracts without agreement but the Govt decided that all care workers must be vaxxed therefore that's it the law trumps any contract even retrospectively.
This is just another variation on the Freeman of the Land bollocks, "I Am A Sovereign Entity , No You're Fucking Not, Parliament and Parliament alone is Sovereign."

I only read about this today on this thread, but I’m guessing their plan will be to make a case arguing vaccine passports constitute unlawful discrimination against them on the grounds of their refusing the vaccine because of ethical veganism. veganism isn’t a protected characteristic, philosophical belief is (in the category “religion or belief”) and I think there has been more than one successful discrimination case where ethical veganism has been successfully argued to constitute a philosophical belief. decisions around this lean heavily on precedent, because philosophical belief isn’t defined in the equality act. I doubt having “ethical vegan” recently added to their twitter profile is going to wor.

however, it would be indirect discrimination, and the state would simply argue that vaccine passports are a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim and therefore the discrimination isn’t unlawful. So I am certain the deniers are on to plums.

 

[WouldBe]

Another one who didn't read the linked article, the 'excuse' is about vaccines being tested on animals.

And?
All medicines are tested on animals and I'm not certain that vegans don't use conventional medicines.

 

[BigMoaner]

Apart from the constant pressure brought about by their paranoid worldview, what do you mean?

To get the vacinne. Like a net closing in.

 

[BigMoaner]

... And the very real but probably totally suppressed fear of getting covid, long or short.

 

[BigMoaner]

Of course that is me projecting on them some tiny semblance, somewhere deep within, of self doubt (I. E. "shit what if it really does exist?)

 

[gentlegreen]

There are fundies objecting to vaccines due to cell-lines used in research that started from aborted fetus decades ago.
I don't mind that, but I feel distinctly iffy that they use foreskins supplied by hospitals.

 

[NoXion]

To get the vacinne. Like a net closing in.

It's so weird that there's been an apparent uptick in their activity and feverishness, yet so far in the US and the UK there hasn't been even the slightest sniff of a hint of any vague suggestion from the authorities that vaccination is to be made mandatory for the general public, now or in the future. It's not quite as implausible as believing that dissidents will be shipped off to a labour camp on Mars, but only because that's not technologically possible right now.

 

[BigMoaner]

It's so weird that there's been an apparent uptick in their activity and feverishness, yet so far in the US and the UK there hasn't been even the slightest sniff of a hint of any vague suggestion from the authorities that vaccination is to be made mandatory for the general public, now or in the future. It's not quite as implausible as believing that dissidents will be shipped off to a labour camp on Mars, but only because that's not technologically possible right now.

They are protesting at their own imaginations a lot of the time.

At least with normal political discourse there's actually tangable, holdable things thay people can throw shit at each over.

 

[BigMoaner]

But yeh they will be feeling a kind of grinding social pressure, I am sure.

Good.

 

[WouldBe]

I don't mind that, but I feel distinctly iffy that they use foreskins supplied by hospitals.

at least they would have been 'donated' it's not like the medics sneak round at night and help themselves.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

There are fundies objecting to vaccines due to cell-lines used in research that started from aborted fetus decades ago.
I don't mind that, but I feel distinctly iffy that they use foreskins supplied by hospitals.

Well I had my foreskin removed some 40 years ago. If I knew that my foreskin had helped save countless lives I would feel so proud.

 

[BigMoaner]

It's so weird that there's been an apparent uptick in their activity and feverishness, yet so far in the US and the UK there hasn't been even the slightest sniff of a hint of any vague suggestion from the authorities that vaccination is to be made mandatory for the general public, now or in the future. It's not quite as implausible as believing that dissidents will be shipped off to a labour camp on Mars, but only because that's not technologically possible right now.

Anothw weird example is the screaming about ending lockdown when it had actually ended a few weeks before.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

at least they would have been 'donated' it's not like the medics sneak round at night and help themselves.

they don't but their mates do...

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Anothw weird example is the screaming about ending lockdown when it had actually ended a few weeks before.

my reason to shout loudly about a perceived wrong is being taken away from me
please help

 

[LeytonCatLady]

The excuse won't work when they try gaining entry to their favourite steakhouse...

 

[BigMoaner]

 

[BigMoaner]

A lot of them are making themselves unemployable. If I got wind of the above sort of shit and I was an employer, not enough barge polls etc.

 

[BigMoaner]

Must have cost a few grand. All that effort. Probably based on a meme they've read.

 

[Des Kinvig]

I don't mind that, but I feel distinctly iffy that they use foreskins supplied by hospitals.

if i had my foreskin lopped i’d like to think it had done something positive for humanity.

 

[BigMoaner]

Along with the good vs evil children's cartoon type narratives, they love a maryter/hero archetype too

 

[BigMoaner]

Along with the good vs evil children's cartoon type narratives, they love a maryter/hero archetype tooView attachment 282142

... Why?

Because probably 70 or 80% of people will think you're a dangerous, wreck less asshole who thinks he's a scientist after watching 9 hours of YouTube videos.

 

[Dogsauce]

And?
All medicines are tested on animals and I'm not certain that vegans don't use conventional medicines.

Drinking water standards are based on animal tests, though I suppose they could harvest their own.



.

 

[BigMoaner]

Along with the good vs evil children's cartoon type narratives, they love a maryter/hero archetype tooView attachment 282142

Why?

If they stopped for a second and asked themselves that question. Jung would have a field day with the level of projection in that post. He would suggest perhaps that deep within the conflicted mind behind the post, they know that they should be asking the why to themselves. But that's too painful, so easier to suggest it's the others who need to answer the question.

 

[pogofish]

at least they would have been 'donated' it's not like the medics sneak round at night and help themselves.

Not exactly donated - Once detached, they are considered medical waste and so long as they are disposed of properly ie in line with the Human Tissues Act and Carriage of Dangerous Goods Act, or used "suitably" eg in medical research, which can include sale to drug companies, hospitals have pretty-much free-reign to do what they like with them.

Some of the worst excesses of this trade were clamped down on a few years back, at least in NHS Scotland - notably the sale of placentas to high-end cosmetic companies for "anti ageing" products, a trade that for placentas alone could bring-in a 6/7 figure sum annually for hospitals with busy maternity units.

 

[pogofish]

Well I had my foreskin removed some 40 years ago. If I knew that my foreskin had helped save countless lives I would feel so proud.

40-odd years ago, it would have very likely gone towards Interferon production. Back then, foreskins were the preferred source of the fibroblast cells needed to fuel the lines that produced it. So hopefully it did do some good. MS research and treatment is one area that particularly benefited from foreskin-derived Interferon.

 

[petee]

they don't but their mates do...

footnote: some years ago i bought this:

one of my favorite books, one i re-read. the author was a scots lawyer. his style is deliciously florid and this collection contains the thorough write-up of the resurrection men (100 pages i think, but i don't have the book at hand). i strongly recommend it.

 

[kabbes]

BigMoaner — do yourself a favour and stop reading the conspiracists’ social media pages. Once you completely ignore them, life is a lot better. It’s not like they have any power or influence to actually achieve anything.

 

[Maggot]

 

[tim]

Is this the future of the political spectrum now, which was toxic enough as it is....left, right, centre and the new kid on the block: toxic paranoid end times nutcases. Is the genie out of the bottle? Every other week some crazed "cause" with a High daily rate of folk slidding down such rabit holes?

Millenarianism in one form or another is always with us.

 

[Chilli.s]

Millenarianism in one form or another is always with us.

Hat makers of the world unite!