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The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

StakerOne said:
Well if you are going to go all binary.

Who has changed our lives in the most positive way, giving us all a voice:

1. All those geeks who worked day and night to give us the world wide web, that this website forum is hosted on.
2. Politicians churning out laws.

????

Decentralsied projects aimed at bringing more decentralised structure to society and tech stacks, not legislation drafted by a pack of corrupt cunts for the benefit of the state and large corporates, will improve are lives and bring fairness and equity to those who need it the both.
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Really mate, get some help - or ease off on the caffeine or cocaine or whatever it is ...
 
MickiQ said:
I have a car (rather expensive one at that) and so does Mrs Q so we have as many cars as people in the Q household. (She's out in mine by the way not hers) I too believe I have the right to use my car whenever I need to.
However I am quite happy to not use my car if I don't need to and for the bulk of shopping trips I make I don't need to. Quite happy to leave it parked in my drive and make the 10 min walk to either Aldi's or the Tesco with my environmentally friendly reusable bag (another outrageous socialist plot) in my hand to buy stuff. I'm not being forced to walk or say hello to my neighbours as I pass them, I don't feel my freedoms are being impinged upon by being encouraged to use the excellent facilities conveniently placed close to hand. I'm very lucky to live somewhere like this and quite happy for people in big cities to get the same standard of living as I do. Indeed since you can of course stick a tram stop or a subway station in the middle of each '15 min city' the residents can still enjoy the amenities of Big City Life whilst they're at it.
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I'm quite happy to live in a 8'x5' pod, because I have no ambition.
Why can't everyone else?
 
StakerOne said:
Well if you are going to go all binary.

Who has changed our lives in the most positive way, giving us all a voice:

1. All those geeks who worked day and night to give us the world wide web, that this website forum is hosted on.
2. Politicians churning out laws.

????

Decentralsied projects aimed at bringing more decentralised structure to society and tech stacks, not legislation drafted by a pack of corrupt cunts for the benefit of the state and large corporates, will improve are lives and bring fairness and equity to those who need it the both.
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whilst no fan of government over reach - centralised power is probably one of the deciding factors in your being able to watch twaddle on Youtube all day - the roads that the geeks use to go to work. the laws to protect them from death, like building regulations. the taxation system they have things like schools to send their kids too, and hospitals if they break their legs. the rules of teh road to stop them being slaughtered by other people in cars. Thier own sense of space and asthetics protected by the land regulations to stop green space being turned into shopping malls. The list goes on and on and on. You have the utter privilage of being radicalised from your own bedroom into a world of monitised junk. You are in a sense the perfected neoliberal "subject" - how ironic for such a free thinker - always missing the woods for the trees, whilst always being fleeced.
 
BigMoaner said:
whilst no fan of government over reach - centralised power is probably one of the deciding factors in your being able to watch twaddle on Youtube all day - the roads that the geeks use to go to work. the laws to protect them from death, like building regulations. the taxation system they have things like schools to send their kids too, and hospitals if they break their legs. the rules of teh road to stop being slaughtering people in cars. the land regulations to stop green space being turned into shopping malls. teh list goes on and on and on. You have the utter privilage of being radicalised from your own bedroom into a world of monitised junk. you are in a sense the perfected neoliberal "subject" - always missing the woods for the trees, whilst always being fleeced.
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I never claimed governments are useless.
In my world "Governments are dead, long live governance."
 
StakerOne said:
I never claimed governments are useless.
In my world "Governments are dead, long live governance."
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Mate - here's a fact for you: you are lucky to have been born here. Anyone who is born here got an incredible roll of the dice. That might have come about somewhat due to the expense of the rest of the world, but still always count your blessing. You're freedoms in the sense you picture are not under threat, but societies move on. Things change. Just because of some social pressure to take a life saving medicine when over 200k of people were slaughtered by a diseased, is just basic public health advice. A few traffic regulation changes does not mean we are heading into a Totalitarian-slave state. You honestly think that this place will look like North Korea or the worst of the soviet union or nazi germany in 10, 20 years? Can you see what a moronic, missing-wood-for-the-trees take that is?
 
gentlegreen said:
It's because of people like you that we need governments, police, social services and goof mental health care.
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I've had better mental health care off my own friends than anything this country has ever provided.
Let me tell you something, it's very very dangerous for a working class white man to go anywhere near a white professional middle class cunt for help, let me tell you.
 
BigMoaner said:
Mate - here's a fact for you: you are lucky to have been born here. Anyone who is born here got an incredible roll of the dice. That might have come about somewhat due to the expense of the rest of the world, but still always count your blessing. You're freedoms in the sense you picture are not under threat, but societies move on. Things change. Just because of some social pressure to take a life saving medicine when over 200k of people were slaughtered by a diseased, is just basic public health advice. A few traffic regulation changes does not mean we are heading into a Totalitarian-slave state. You honestly think that this place will look like North Korea or the worst of the soviet union or nazi germany in 10, 20 years? Can you see what a moronic, missing-wood-for-the-trees take that is?
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Good job my views aren't based soley on a proposed traffic filtering system isn't it?

Have you been on the WHO website much lately?
 
This character is very much like the late-30s chap at work.
Started out in the "skeptical atheist" community - much as I did, but he got diverted down "men's rights" and it got worse and worse - Trump supporter, brexiter, bitcoin miner, silk road microdoser, racist....
By the time I retired we had had words and agreed to avoid each other and never discuss politics.
 
I still suspect, though cannot prove, that these conspiracy meme type eco systems are what happens when conciousness and attention itself becomes monitised. The emotionally gratifying nature of it, the endless feed of it, the dopamine shot and the sense of community - this is far different to a strange bloke in a pub handing you a leaflet like 20/30 years ago. All I am saying is seriously there's a perilousness to this stuff. I am doing it with "NYC mafia interviews" at the moment - i have watched 100s of the fucking things - my feed keeps me going. But at least hearing some old crims talk about their time in brooklyn doesn't lead much to anywhere other than morbid fascination. Just be careful. Look after and value and respect where you train your focus.
 
gentlegreen said:
This character is very much like the late-30s chap at work.
Started out in the "skeptical atheist" community - much as I did, but he got diverted down "men's rights" and it got worse and worse - Trump supporter, brexiter, bitcoin miner, silk road microdoser, racist....
By the time I retired we had had words and agreed to avoid each other and never discuss politics.
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Haven't you got him the sack yet? :mad:
 
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