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The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

Economically speaking they'll have to do something to offset the elimination of everyone's jobs, so why not a return to the traditional winter mass hibernation enjoyed by our Medieval forebears? it's been a couple of centuries of bosses saying automation would bring more leisure to the masses while actually delivering less, after all, no time like the present to stop breaking that particular promise ...
 
Rob Ray said:
I'd go so far as to say the forces of the State were actively reluctant to get involved, tbh. They didn't respond to suggestions about closing off flights until it was far too late to make any difference, instituted lockdowns later and more sparingly that was recommended, never bothered prosecuting more than a handful of people for doing shit like holding parties, pretty much ceased getting the police to enforce mask wearing very early on, dropped all restrictions at the first sign that they could get away with it, etc. In practice they relied almost solely on the public having a sense of social duty and proactively following the guidelines.

Honestly Westminster was surprisingly unauthoritarian about Covid in comparison to so much of its other behaviour in recent years (CCTV, protest laws, megaprisons, anti-strike laws, migrant policies etc) which anti-vaxx loons don't generally give much of a shit about.
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The nation's youth speaks! I'm so proud that young teenage Brits like you are so quick to give up their freedoms to fight this deadly virus.
 
Rob Ray said:
Economically speaking they'll have to do something to offset the elimination of everyone's jobs, so why not a return to the traditional winter mass hibernation enjoyed by our Medieval forebears? it's been a couple of centuries of bosses saying automation would bring more leisure to the masses while actually delivering less, after all, no time like the present to stop breaking that particular promise ...
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And I'm the loon around here.
 
StakerOne said:
The nation's youth speaks! I'm so proud that young teenage Brits like you are so quick to give up their freedoms to fight this deadly virus.
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You're delusional, raging against something that's not real, while ignoring the real problems that are very worthy of being angry about. You've been had by the grifters milking you for cash and the social media algorithms. You're being conned.
 
Storm Fox said:
You are just wrong about that. There is a whole wikipage on Vitamin D toxicity. Vitamin D toxicity - Wikipedia
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The wiki page is about taking vitamin D all year round. I'd forgive people for believing that's what I do, but I don't.

I would take 5000 ui on a normal day outside of summer .... 50,000 a day in the rare cases that I'm ill, during the illness.

It takes some doing to build up a toxic presence of vitamin D, that's why I challenged people to find a case of vitamin D toxicity. There's really only one case in recent times and that was someone who took 500,000 ui a day and that was a result of misreading the label.
 
StakerOne said:
No one told me the vaccine was ineffective, stop lying.

All I had to do was what I was always doing. Taking vitamin D.

There is no health risk with vitamin D.
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I take vitamin D in the winter when I remember. There's not much health risk but the middle sentence is the one I think most of us would take issue with. I might take issue with the first one but I don't understand it.
 
StakerOne said:
The wiki page is about taking vitamin D all year round. I'd forgive people for believing that's what I do, but I don't.

I would take 5000 ui on a normal day outside of summer .... 50,000 a day in the rare cases that I'm ill, during the illness.

It takes some doing to build up a toxic presence of vitamin D, that's why I challenged people to find a case of vitamin D toxicity. There's really only one case in recent times and that was someone who took 500,000 ui a day and that was a result of misreading the label.
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Wtf are you going on about Vit D for? One minute it's being 'blackmailed' to have Covid vaccines, the next 15 minute cities and 'climate lockdowns', the next Vit D. You're all over the shop!
 
LDC said:
You're delusional, raging against something that's not real, while ignoring the real problems that are very worthy of being angry about. You've been had by the grifters milking you for cash and the social media algorithms. You're being conned.
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Are emotions a problem or not? Make your mind up please.

If emotions are a problem and that we should deal in facts, then change my mind through reasoning by dealing some facts my way rather than personal attacks.

Speaking of social media algorithms, ex twitter execs have admitted that twitter had a left leaning bias by design - what are you thoughts on that?
 
You've frequently been offered reasoning, the trouble is you ignore it, because you're too invested in your fantasies to seriously consider the possibility that you might be wrong. Informing you that you're delusional isn't, thus, a personal attack, but merely an attempt to pop the bubble. Sure it almost certainly won't work, but if enough people tell you, on here and in your everyday life, maybe at some point it might sink in.
 
two sheds said:
I take vitamin D in the winter when I remember. There's not much health risk but the middle sentence is the one I think most of us would take issue with. I might take issue with the first one but I don't understand it.
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I will take that on the chin. I admit that people may have believed I was taking vitamin D every day, I should have put a bit more thought into that post before rattling it off.

I stress, it's not really the vaccines I take issue with. They had to be made in a short amount of time.

My overarching argument, is that there are people who are pro-vaccine who place too much pressure on people.

We should add more nuance to all of this:

The original Covid19 virus was way more deadly than Omnicron.
 
LDC said:
Wtf are you going on about Vit D for? One minute it's being 'blackmailed' to have Covid vaccines, the next 15 minute cities and 'climate lockdowns', the next Vit D. You're all over the shop!
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The argument naturally flowed into 15 minute cities, because it's very dangerous that many (if not most) of the people who take a hard line on getting people vaccinated are also in favour of 15 minute cities.

If you are concerned about human rights, you should be concerned about whether there is a sizeable chunk of the population that activally wants authoratarianism.
 
But you don't care about authoritarianism unless it's on your list of conspiracy guff, because when I brought up real examples of it happening you ignored every single one of them to make a pathetic comment about "teenage youth." What you actually care about is the dramatic story you've constructed for yourself, none of which confronts actual State authoritarianism at all and can thus be safely bollocked on about all over the internet without fear of serious consequences. Because the State doesn't consider you a threat, in fact quite the opposite - you're a useful idiot.
 
Rob Ray said:
You've frequently been offered reasoning, the trouble is you ignore it, because you're too invested in your fantasies to seriously consider the possibility that you might be wrong. Informing you that you're delusional isn't, thus, a personal attack, but merely an attempt to pop the bubble. Sure it almost certainly won't work, but if enough people tell you, on here and in your everyday life, maybe at some point it might sink in.
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I have always considered the possibility that I'm wrong, unless you believe I'm lying about my own peronsal circrumstances.

I've had 4 Covid 19 vaccines. I'm wondering in hindshight whether I should really have taken them.

Of course I always consider the possibility that I could have been wrong.

How can you improve ANYTHING without being critical?

This is why free speech on the internet is a huge issue.

It's easy to say the loons on the internet should be gagged etc, but for that, someone has to be the final arbiter of the truth, with the power to shut people up, but when the watchman has the power, who watches the watchman?

In the UK, the people are sovereign, we decide ourselves what the fucking truth is and thank God, by design the internet will always allow people to say what they want and they can't be shut up.
 
Rob Ray said:
But you don't care about authoritarianism unless it's on your list of conspiracy guff, because when I brought up real examples of it happening you ignored every single one of them to make a pathetic comment about "teenage youth."
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No. I haven't ignored, I probably haven't read it, I've been away from the side for over 24 hours and there's probably a few pages of replies to go through.
 
StakerOne said:
The argument naturally flowed into 15 minute cities, because it's very dangerous that many (if not most) of the people who take a hard line on getting people vaccinated are also in favour of 15 minute cities.

If you are concerned about human rights, you should be concerned about whether there is a sizeable chunk of the population that activally wants authoratarianism.
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Within a 10 minute walk of my house I have a mini town/shopping centre that holds an Aldi, a Tesco Express, a Pharmacy, a Post Office, 3 food takeaway food places and a couple of good pubs. Also have an estate agents, a nursery centre and a vets (I don't use those but other folks do) Really not getting it that having facilities close to hand is a bad thing tbh.
 
Yossarian said:
This study found that vaccines saved almost 20 million lives in the first year they were out, including 1.9 million in the US and 500,000 in the UK, though obviously that's a detail anti-vaxxers will ignore or deny in their ongoing effort to retcon the pandemic as a time when they were calm voices of reason in a world gone mad.

www.ctvnews.ca

COVID-19 vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
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Are we talking about the same US where in certain states older people were needlesly exposed to the virus?

Can you accept that this isn't a binary debate we have going on here?

This isn't "Vaccines! Great or Shit?"

I'm am neither pro nor anti vaccination. People seem to think that I'm anti, just because I'm merely saying in hindsight, I'd probably have been better off without mine, that I'm somehow anti-vaccination. That's simply not true.
 
MickiQ said:
Within a 10 minute walk of my house I have a mini town/shopping centre that holds an Aldi, a Tesco Express, a Pharmacy, a Post Office, 3 food takeaway food places and a couple of good pubs. Also have an estate agents, a nursery centre and a vets (I don't use those but other folks do) Really not getting it that having facilities close to hand is a bad thing tbh.
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That's true. It's not a bad thing.

But putting many many cameras around the place with a centralised authority in charge of them, with the aim of sanctioning people who use their cars "too much" is incredibly dangerous. That's what people are protesting about.
 
StakerOne said:
we decide ourselves what the fucking truth is and thank God, by design the internet will always allow people to say what they want and they can't be shut up.
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Quiz time: which ones of these do you consider the fucking truth?

Man Made climate change is a hoax?
There will a Great Reset?
Do sovereign Citizens have the correct interpretation of the law?
5G Mobile is harmful?
Aircraft are spraying mind-altering chemicals?
The Earth is flat?
Moon landings were fake?
 
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