There is no masonic connection with the united grand lodge of England (UGLE). Chelsea Lodge is the entertainers lodge and he was never a member or visitor to that lodge.
There is no masonic connection with the united grand lodge of England (UGLE). Chelsea Lodge is the entertainers lodge and he was never a member or visitor to that lodge.
I think the confusion comes from some award he was given by the pope, it has a similar sounding name to one of the side degrees or chapters in freemasonry, iirc he was given the order of Malta by the pope and there are the knights of Malta in freemasonry.
It doesn't take much of a jump for people to make a link that isn't there, just look at the McCann thread
I personally am assured by a friend in Chelsea Lodge who I have known for years, but in his reply he also mentioned that Great Queens street had also issued a statement confirming that he was never a mason in UGLE.I think the confusion (if it is that) might also arise from the apparent protection he was afforded by the lodge known as WYP, and the fact that he evaded justice for so long. All sounds mightly Masonic, even if he weren't a formal member.
Incidentaly, how can you be so sure that he wasn't?
Looks to me like many called it right from the outset tbf.
The only reference I can find is this "West Yorkshire Police Federation Sine Favore Lodge, No.9856" and they are strange sites (The ones I looked at). I can find no credible source that there was or is a west Yorkshire police lodge
I did a little research, and could not find a lodge with such a name, either. Which doesn't entirely surprise me, because, while Lodges are often formed by people who work for a particular organisation or in a particular profession, it is not usual for them to lift in its entirety the name of the organisation and use it as the Lodge name. It does happen (particularly where Lodges might meet on the premises of the organisation - eg there are school and college Lodges), but I'd be rather surprised to see it happening like that with the police.The only reference I can find is this "West Yorkshire Police Federation Sine Favore Lodge, No.9856" and they are strange sites (The ones I looked at). I can find no credible source that there was or is a west Yorkshire police lodge
I am sure that a number of WYP were masons but maybe the lodge has a different name, probably members of a number of lodges, that's the usual form with old bill in my experience .
i read brogdale's post as just referring to WYP having a large freemason membership? not that they had a specific lodge..
Ah, he could be. I interpreted the phrase "afforded by the lodge known as WYP" as meaning that he was saying that a lodge called "WYP" existed. But it may well be that he's using slightly incorrect terminology, masonically speaking, and confusing yours truly in doing so
gladly dismissed as fanciful is putting it nicely, to say the least.
There are many work orientated lodges, Train drivers, tube drivers, bus drivers, miners, local authority, police, fireman, lawyers, bankers, uncle tom cobbley and all. Most trades and professions have lodges as do most hobbies.
1%er said:There are many work orientated lodges, Train drivers, tube drivers, bus drivers, miners, local authority, police, fireman, lawyers, bankers, uncle tom cobbley and all. Most trades and professions have lodges as do most hobbies.
I've never really understood why people who want to keep thing to themselves would open a lodge, why not just meet without the need for keeping a record of the meeting
Oh. Have I just accidentally flushed an...AGENDA from cover?
There are a number of pass-grips and passwords, also a number of phrases. The most common mistake is people using the wrong pass-grip or handshake, they are all freely available on the interweb. Just make sure you remember the "right" grip.
Oh. Have I just accidentally flushed an...AGENDA from cover?
They join in many cases for personal advancement and the chance to rub shoulders with the bosses. I'm sure many join other organizations and groupings for the same reason.
They also join golf clubs and other things, I know this because I have met these people in a previous life.
almost that eraHoly fuck!
I rather assumed that you'd covered the "nefarious reasons" angle quite adequately yourself, and felt a little balance was called for. There are people in Freemasonry (and not just OB) ) who use it for nefarious reasons, but neither the organisation nor the people in it would tolerate either blatant or significant nefariousness for very long - this idea that Freemasonry is some kind of automatic "get out of jail free" card is a complete myth.Maybe you have, if thinking that the OB might be masons for all kinds of (non)benign and (il)logical reasons constitutes an AGENDA.
