the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[equationgirl]

No. I don't think it's odd. You made numbers of posts telling me how and what to post about the programme I mentioned even after I'd offered to send it to anyone interested, via pm. You then continued to quiz me on it and validated your questions by saying that you and others were very interested in it and that I wasn't posting it in the thread because a) it didnt exist b) I was lying c) I didn't have it.... both you and existentialist kept that up for a few pages.

You may differ in your views on your own behaviour.....but from my perspective at the receiving end it of it, it felt very much like being hassled repeatedly and needlessly to post information on a thread. This persistence and haranguing was in my view a form of bullying.

I have made one post on this thread about the programme you work with, on p110:

That is not true, for example in the last page you have been repeatedly invited to talk more and link to this programme you keep talking about.

I have not continued to quiz you on it and I certainly haven't accused of you of lying.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

 

[Rural]

not sure how much he did in promoting jingoism beyond tapping into it when it suited him.

Sounds like most tabloids. The similarities I saw was faux outrage at child exploitation combined with a bigoted bias against all immigrants including immigrant children


which at the very least means that the quantity of hsi drivel is now limited.

 

[Red Cat]

Social workers were on that and the explanation was unsatisfactory to them too. Basically there were too many cases and not enough personnel.

There is that. But there is also the situation I have described to you, which isn't incidental, although you're treating it as such. And social workers may well not understand the assessment process or the setting up of counselling or therapy, it always takes time, even in the best of circumstances.

 

[Rural]

not sure how much he did in promoting jingoism beyond tapping into it when it suited him.




which at the very least means that the quantity of hsi drivel is now limited.

Sorry my last reply to you has turned up in the middle of ur quote! Really not sure how I managed that :/

 

[toggle]

Sorry my last reply to you has turned up in the middle of ur quote! Really not sure how I managed that :/

i got you.

and you hit the quot button, then typed your reply in the middle of the quoted text.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

I have made one post on this thread about the programme you work with, on p110:

I have not continued to quiz you on it and I certainly haven't accused of you of lying.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

When I said "you", I was of course also including your sock puppet, toggle

 

[equationgirl]

When I said "you", I was of course also including your sock puppet, toggle

Toggle is a completely separate person to me.

I guess this is you admitting you got everything wrong.

 

[toggle]

When I said "you", I was of course also including your sock puppet, toggle

oh gawds, you don't actually think that one is going to work do you? scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit now.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

There is that. But there is also the situation I have described to you, which isn't incidental, although you're treating it as such. And social workers may well not understand the assessment process or the setting up of counselling or therapy, it always takes time, even in the best of circumstances.

Not at all. I'm very aware of time scales in setting up psychotherapy ... but in the particular case I referenced here the delays were problematic and caused more trauma for the child in question.

 

[toggle]

When I said "you", I was of course also including your sock puppet, toggle

oh gawds, you don't actually think that one is going to work do you? scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit now.

 

[toggle]

When I said "you", I was of course also including your sock puppet, toggle

oh gawds, you don't actually think that one is going to work do you? scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit now.

 

[mystic pyjamas]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[existentialist]

You're incorrectly referencing a different thread, mate..........
Where I was talking about my own personal experience of abuse...as you know.... and I really am sick of you making it into a generalisation.

Nope. I am absolutely certain it is this thread. You have also - AGAIN - selectively quoted my post. What I said was this:

Rubbish. My original post contested that your claim that SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY or running away were valid strategies for abuse prevention. I'm pretty sure I remember you saying something about hitting people, too.

You made the comments about shouting and running here: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/the-sir-jimmy-savile-obe-thread.300406/page-108#post-13255924

I have deliberately not made any reference to your comments about your own experience of abuse, for one main reason: going by the way in which you have fairly comprehensively twisted any response to what you post to cast you in the role of victim, and given that you seem quite determined to use your status as an abuse survivor as some kind of badge of legitimacy for your views, I don't intend touching it with a bargepole.

 

[existentialist]

Perhaps you could show me where I said you had?



You seem to be suggesting they're not valid strategies for abuse prevention, that doing nothing is the best approach... so long as you pay a counsellor to fix you after the event.

I look forward to your cites of the posts where that view has been expressed by me.

But I won't be holding my breath.

 

[existentialist]

*sigh* the post(s) where you say that existentialist and me have been bullying/hassling you.

I don't want her to put them up: I want her to report them to the mods. The kind of egregious and unconscionable behaviour she is alleging goes on here MUST BE STAMPED OUT.

I am, frankly, astonished not to have heard from the mod team yet to discuss my - inevitable - ban.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there an echo in here?

 

[existentialist]

You're quoting has got a bit mangled so I'm not entirely sure what your post was, although it seemed to be you claiming I am bullying you because other people says so. Have you reported my bullying posts to the mods?

Don't you think it's odd to claim that I'm bullying you and then say 'oh but you didn't PM me about the Freedom programme'?

Maybe that's what constitutes bullying in World Of Bubbles. It may as well do, because the definition seems to cover a pretty diverse range of behaviours.

 

[Spymaster]

was the promice to walk away from threads where you have nothing to add other than personal attack a limited time offer?

Not really, but I'll read and post on threads that I choose to depending on who's posting what at the time.I may change opinions and remarks at will. You lot are here for my amusement, not me for yours. If equationgirl keeps being a fuckwit I'll keep pulling her tail.

 

[equationgirl]

I don't want her to put them up: I want her to report them to the mods. The kind of egregious and unconscionable behaviour she is alleging goes on here MUST BE STAMPED OUT.

I am, frankly, astonished not to have heard from the mod team yet to discuss my - inevitable - ban.

I'm amazed too - I thought I would have heard from the mods by now about my behaviour. Never mind, I know they're superbusy.

 

[equationgirl]

Not really, but I'll read and post on threads that I choose to depending on who's posting what at the time.I may change opinions and remarks at will. You lot are here for my amusement, not me for yours. If equationgirl keeps being a fuckwit I'll keep pulling her tail.

You are an utter wanker.

 

[Spymaster]

You are an utter wanker.

And you're a shit-digging little tosspot.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

I look forward to your cites of the posts where that view has been expressed by me.

But I won't be holding my breath.

Short term memory loss to the extreme?

My original post contested that your claim that SHOUTING VERY LOUDLY or running away were valid strategies for abuse prevention.

 

[equationgirl]

And you're a shit-digging little tosspot.

Why, because I won't put with being a toy for your amusement?

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah.

 

[ibilly99]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iband-rebukes-TV-star-attacks-former-DPP.html

 

[existentialist]

Short term memory loss to the extreme?

And where's the bit about paying counsellors?

 

[Rural]

The message given over here presently to young kids is:

1. Shout NO and draw attention
2. Get away/ run if you can
3. Tell someone you trust

That is in my opinion the best advice any child can be given

This seems to b the post that has caused much consternation. I think there is some confusion over whether this is general advice in Bubbles area which is being criticised (altho some ppl said it was a good idea, & i only mentioned a few cases where it may not help, did not mean it was not a good thing if a child felt able to do it) & what Bubbles feels is an attack on how she reacted to personal abuse, which imo is not for anyone to criticise. I hope what u did worked for u. I keep seeing these arguments & I'm not sure that anyone was criticising Bubbles for how she responded to abuse (I hope not) or rather saying that that reaction is not possible in every situation. If u manage to scream, hit ur abuser, get away, good for u. But not everyone can do this. However this in no way invalidates ur reaction. I haven't been awake long, hope this isn't too muddled. Apologise if I have wrong end of stick but it seems like things r being taken personally which were meant generally. And notice I have not mucked up my reply/quote thing this time *proud*

 

[Rural]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iband-rebukes-TV-star-attacks-former-DPP.html

I didn't even know Paul gambaccini had been arrested. Stephen Fry has not exactly helped his mate by bringing it to everyone's attention.

 

[Red Cat]

Not at all. I'm very aware of time scales in setting up psychotherapy ... but in the particular case I referenced here the delays were problematic and caused more trauma for the child in question.

I'm curious about how you knew about the counselling situation of both the young child and the teenager. I thought you worked with teenagers and had done for years? Why do you have access to confidential information about both?

 

[existentialist]

I don't know about counselling (as opposed to child psychotherapy) or the Irish system but I can't imagine it's that different and it takes a while to set up child psychotherapy for children. It's not as simple as this child needs it therefore they get it, the child would be expected to be in a safe family who can support the therapy for a start.

In theory, getting counselling started should be rather less of an issue - counselling is rather less in-depth and challenging than psychotherapy, and it would be less important to ensure that the child was operating from a stable base before starting. Indeed, as I think about it, counselling would probably be an excellent preparatory process to psychotherapy - my experience, though, is that psychotherapy for children is rarer even than the more behaviourally-oriented CAMHS interventions, and they are like hen's teeth: most of the CAMHS responses to referrals I've been involved with could be summed up as "not accepted, as patient not suicidal enough" Psychotherapy, I would confidently expect to be even harder to come by.