The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not

[Rompipalle]

I don't think it's about being superior, just being appropriate and non-demeaning. I accept what cupid_stunt has said above about the relevance of their relationship to the thread content but, even so, there are better ways of informing posters of that publicised relationship without resorting to the outdated and demeaning term missus.

I often call my female friends "Missus". Not once has anyone got annoyed about it.

Some of you really are taking this all to extremes and it's becoming rather silly.

I've said elsewhere that, among other social identities I have, I do happen to be someone's wife and I'm therefore known as "Mrs" in certain situations.

It does not indicate that I am lesser to my husband, neither does it indicate that I belong to him and nor is it something I am ashamed of. It's no more demeaning than being called Mum or Granny (although I'm not one of those yet) or any other title.

If someone prefers not to be described as someone's "missus" or "partner" or "significant other", then that is up to them to say so but I can't see that random folks on a internet forum have any particular right to determine whether another person being called"Missus" is demeaning to them or not.

 

[brogdale]

I often call my female friends "Missus". Not once has anyone got annoyed about it.

Some of you really are taking this all to extremes and it's becoming rather silly.

I've said elsewhere that, among other social identities I have, I do happen to be someone's wife and I'm therefore known as "Mrs" in certain situations.

It does not indicate that I am lesser to my husband, neither does it indicate that I belong to him and nor is it something I am ashamed of. It's no more demeaning than being called Mum or Granny (although I'm not one of those yet) or any other title.

If someone prefers not to be described as someone's "missus" or "partner" or "significant other", then that is up to them to say so but I can't see that random folks on a internet forum have any particular right to determine whether another person being called"Missus" is demeaning to them or not.

It's interesting that you say "some of you" are taking this to extremes, but keep on chipping in yourself to defend the inappropriate use of the term that, in the context it was used, was demeaning as it incorrectly described Oakeshott in relation to her male partner. What you and your partner call each other is neither here nor there; it's just that some (many?) posters here would prefer not to see such casual sexism drop into the forum. That's all.

 

[Rompipalle]

It's interesting that you say "some of you" are taking this to extremes, but keep on chipping in yourself to defend the inappropriate use of the term that, in the context it was used, was demeaning as it incorrectly described Oakeshott in relation to her male partner. What you and your partner call each other is neither here nor there; it's just that some (many?) posters here would prefer not to see such causual sexism drop into the forum. That's all.

It's not casual sexism. There are some parts of the country where is it perfectly usual for people to refer to their wives/partners as their "missus". It's often seen as a term of affection - not intended to demean them. It's also often used when someone else is not entirely sure of the precise status of a couple's relationship. This is fairly commonplace in various parts of the UK, e.g. as I discovered when I lived in Essex for a few years. My (then) other half and I were not married but his rugby mates referred to me as "Dave's Missus" because they didn't know me well enough to know what our domestic arrangements were.

I'd expect that any woman/women who objected to being called "missus" would also be forthright enough to say so. For others, it clearly matters to them not one jot.

In terms of the particular use of the word in this thread, anyone who was unfamiliar with Isabel Oakeshott and what she is known for might wonder why she was even mentioned. She was then identified in relation to Tice who is a Reform MP. Some might say that it was more appropriate to call her his girlfriend or his partner but it's up to them how they define their relationship to each other. Is "girlfriend" or "partner" actually less demeaning? I know of someone who absolutely hates being described as a "partner" but she is not married and she feels that she is of an age where girlfriend is not appropriate.

Of course, maybe on account of her abhorrent views, she possibly merits a thread all of her own. Is there one?

 

[brogdale]

It's not casual sexism. There are some parts of the country where is it perfectly usual for people to refer to their wives/partners as their "missus". It's often seen as a term of affection - not intended to demean them. It's also often used when someone else is not entirely sure of the precise status of a couple's relationship. This is fairly commonplace in various parts of the UK, e.g. as I discovered when I lived in Essex for a few years. My (then) other half and I were not married but his rugby mates referred to me as "Dave's Missus" because they didn't know me well enough to know what our domestic arrangements were.

I'd expect that any woman/women who objected to being called "missus" would also be forthright enough to say so. For others, it clearly matters to them not one jot.

In terms of the particular use of the word in this thread, anyone who was unfamiliar with Isabel Oakeshott and what she is known for might wonder why she was even mentioned. She was then identified in relation to Tice who is a Reform MP. Some might say that it was more appropriate to call her his girlfriend or his partner but it's up to them how they define their relationship to each other. Is "girlfriend" or "partner" actually less demeaning? I know of someone who absolutely hates being described as a "partner" but she is not married and she feels that she is of an age where girlfriend is not appropriate.

Of course, maybe on account of her abhorrent views, she possibly merits a thread all of her own. Is there one?

You know, on reflection, you're right. The post had no place in a thread to discuss the refUKers. AFAIK Oakeshott has no formal connection to the party and, if anywhere, the lame screenshot of the tweet probably belonged in the bandwidth thread. it certainly contributed nothing about the party. That it required casual sexism to shoe-horn the content into the thread remains regrettable. Let's hope we don't see any more.

 

[Boo Radley75]

You know, on reflection, you're right. The post had no place in a thread to discuss the refUKers. AFAIK Oakeshott has no formal connection to the party and, if anywhere, the lame screenshot of the tweet probably belonged in the bandwidth thread. it certainly contributed nothing about the party. That it required casual sexism to shoe-horn the content into the thread remains regrettable. Let's hope we don't see any more.

 

[Boo Radley75]

It's interesting that you say "some of you" are taking this to extremes, but keep on chipping in yourself to defend the inappropriate use of the term that, in the context it was used, was demeaning as it incorrectly described Oakeshott in relation to her male partner. What you and your partner call each other is neither here nor there; it's just that some (many?) posters here would prefer not to see such casual sexism drop into the forum. That's all.

You know, for being on a forum where people routinely call others "cunts" some of you are really strangely hung up on the word "missus."

 

[brogdale]

You know, for being on a forum where people routinely call others "cunts" some of you are really strangely hung up on the word "missus."View attachment 454673

Understanding the culture of a new community inevitably takes time, but taking that challenge personally or replying with memes rarely helps. Stick with it.

 

[Rompipalle]

You know, on reflection, you're right. The post had no place in a thread to discuss the refUKers. AFAIK Oakeshott has no formal connection to the party and, if anywhere, the lame screenshot of the tweet probably belonged in the bandwidth thread. it certainly contributed nothing about the party. That it required casual sexism to shoe-horn the content into the thread remains regrettable. Let's hope we don't see any more.

You know, as a woman, I would hope that my perception of this might be regarded with a degree of consideration.

I realise that there is a spectrum of opinion on such matters but I’m not sure it’s entirely appropriate to dismiss the view of any woman on how she may perceive the use of the word “missus” just as it’s just as inappropriate to assume that all (or even some) women may object to it.

I also don’t care for people speaking on my behalf, as if all women (including me) should share the same view on the matter.

In short, there is no firm right or wrong about it. It’s all about intent.

 

[Boo Radley75]

Understanding the culture of a new community inevitably takes time, but taking that challenge personally or replying with memes rarely helps. Stick with it.

Did you have to get your front door widened so your head would fit through it, when you go out?

 

[Rompipalle]

You know, for being on a forum where people routinely call others "cunts" some of you are really strangely hung up on the word "missus."View attachment 454673

I absolutely hate the "C" word but I have had to learn that some people don't see it as derogatory and insulting, in the way that I do.

I don't say it myself but can't really have any objection to others using it, even though I think it is a vile word to use either to describe a part of a woman's body, as a pejorative insult or even as a bit of an affectionate laddish nickname among friends.

 

[Boo Radley75]

I absolutely hate the "C" word but I have had to learn that some people don't see it as derogatory and insulting, in the way that I do.

I don't say it myself but can't really have any objection to others using it, even though I think it is a vile word to use either to describe a part of a woman's body, as a pejorative insult or even as a bit of an affectionate laddish nickname among friends.

I'm not that bothered by it but at least have enough social awareness not to call a woman that because it's generally considered offensive, unlike missus.

 

[not a trot]

I absolutely hate the "C" word but I have had to learn that some people don't see it as derogatory and insulting, in the way that I do.

I don't say it myself but can't really have any objection to others using it, even though I think it is a vile word to use either to describe a part of a woman's body, as a pejorative insult or even as a bit of an affectionate laddish nickname among friends.

Womans willy.

 

[Rompipalle]

Womans willy.

Hmmmm.... not really. I think you maybe need to brush up your anatomy.

 

[Funky_monks]

At schools, children refer to their female teachers as miss or mrs. I guess by your superior view, all British schools are backwards, right?

Jees, you walked right into that one, didn't you?

 

[DotCommunist]

so reform look set to back water nationalisation (of a kind). This is bad bad bad, not because water nationalisation is unwanted and not a good idea- quite the opposite its something that regularly polls in the 80% positives. I maintain that a good part of the 2017 surge for El Corbs was those nationalisation plans. Reform wrap it up in the language of xenophobia and tie it to the private sector but they'll get votes from the policy regardless. Putting these basic nationalisations outside of all consideration and pretending its loony lefty popuplism or whatever leaves this stuff lying around for the reform charlatans to pick up and run with. What if they offer to build council houses but prioritise 'native brits' next? Fucked.

 

[cupid_stunt]

so reform look set to back water nationalisation (of a kind). This is bad bad bad, not because water nationalisation is unwanted and not a good idea- quite the opposite its something that regularly polls in the 80% positives. I maintain that a good part of the 2017 surge for El Corbs was those nationalisation plans. Reform wrap it up in the language of xenophobia and tie it to the private sector but they'll get votes from the policy regardless. Putting these basic nationalisations outside of all consideration and pretending its loony lefty popuplism or whatever leaves this stuff lying around for the reform charlatans to pick up and run with. What if they offer to build council houses but prioritise 'native brits' next? Fucked.

That article is from Dec. 2023, and I don't remember them making a big thing of it during the GE campaign. and a quick search of their manifesto doesn't mention that plan.

 

[brogdale]

That article is from Dec. 2023, and I don't remember them making a big thing of it during the GE campaign. and a quick search of their manifesto doesn't mention that plan.

True enough, but populists do gravitate to popular policies, so the broader point about the dangers of the LPs wilful lack of vision or ambition holds.

 

[cupid_stunt]

True enough, but populists do gravitate to popular policies, so the broader point about the dangers of the LPs wilful lack of vision or ambition holds.

I would certainly agree with that!

 

[DotCommunist]

That article is from Dec. 2023, and I don't remember them making a big thing of it during the GE campaign. and a quick search of their manifesto doesn't mention that plan.

morning brain lol. This is probably why the article crossed my desk (FT minus paywall) https://archive.ph/B0NhA and I should check dates first but this is the sort of mad logic going on in labour:

'The UK Labour government has said it favours a private-sector solution to the crisis at Thames over special administration, under which the state temporarily takes control of a company to ensure it remains in operation.
This is in part because it is concerned that, if Thames Water entered the special administration regime, leftwing MPs inside the governing party would call for all water companies to be permanently renationalised.'

 

[andysays]

Not sure what possible sentence she might have received, but this seems almost an encouragement to others to do similar

Woman sentenced for hurling milkshake at Farage​

A woman who threw a McDonald's milkshake over Reform UK leader Nigel Farage during the general election campaign must pay him compensation and carry out unpaid community work. She has been given a 13-week jail sentence, suspended for 12 months, must pay the MP £150 compensation, complete 120 hours of unpaid work and pay £450 in court costs.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not sure what possible sentence she might have received, but this seems almost an encouragement to others to do similar

Woman sentenced for hurling milkshake at Farage​

Seems harsh to me, she should have got an OBE or something.

 

[Rompipalle]

Not sure what possible sentence she might have received, but this seems almost an encouragement to others to do similar

Woman sentenced for hurling milkshake at Farage​

£150 won't go far on beer and fags.

 

[PR1Berske]

BBC and Telegraph splashing with a meeting at Mar-a-Lago between Musk and Farage has lead to an agreement to fund Reform to the tune of millions.

 

[Lotte]

Fucking great. So now Musk is going to rig our elections as well. Although given what a fucking loon Badenoch is, I'm not sure who'll be worse out of Reform and the Tories.

 

[krtek a houby]

BBC and Telegraph splashing with a meeting at Mar-a-Lago between Musk and Farage has lead to an agreement to fund Reform to the tune of millions.

Musk will probably find Prime Minister Farage easier to manipulate, am guessing.

 

[Boo Radley75]

Reform's new treasurer, Nick Candy - isn't this him partying during Lockdown?

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Dress code should always be stated on the invitation. Most of them have come dressed as tory chancers, fair enough, but then there's a woman with antlers who appears to be serving her husband with divorce papers, and then the fellow in the bottom left who I genuinely believe has come as a Zizzi vegetable lasagne