nino_savatte
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Doomsy said:
Unless you dismiss God as a figment of the imagination.
The Rational Proof of God's Existence
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Unless you dismiss God as a figment of the imagination.
parallelepipete
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But then if faith is no longer necessary, and [if] logic cannot be assumed to be a valid tool until god's existence has been established, then how will you decide if a god exists? Rolls of a die?Doomsy said:
e2a the 'if' in brackets
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
*shakes head in disbelief*
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atheism knows phildwyer's had enough time to prove his point - and if it can't be done in 400+ posts on a thread dedicated to the topick, it simply can't be done.Doomsy said:If God is a figment of the imagination, it's existence can't be proved logically as it doesn't exist.
But you can't prove it either way with just logic, and I shall continue to believe as such until someone convinces me otherwise
kyser_soze
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*rejoins thread for one post*
I emailed Dawkins the URL for this thread, and the 'Darwinists Running Scared' ones for a laff...
I emailed Dawkins the URL for this thread, and the 'Darwinists Running Scared' ones for a laff...
Fruitloop said:
Good post. Let me address the implications of my ideas for political action--this was originally going to come at the end of my proof, but that is still quite a long way off, and its a fair question. First, there can *never* be any compromise between capital and labour, for these forces are logically opposed, and one is the antithesis and negation of the other. This contradiction is the modern form of the struggle of life against death (capital being dead labour, and labour being life itself), and of good against evil. All right-thinking people should be struggling to bring about the victory of labour over capital.
The fact that capital does not exist ought to make it easy to abolish it. And yet, in my view, both revolutionary and democratic socialism have had, and have missed, their historical opportunities to do this. I don't think capital can be abolished by force, or voted out of existence. It may very well be that capital will destroy human life--for that is certainly what it *wants* to do--within two or three decades. In fact, I believe that this is the most likely outcome of human history. The only alternative, as I see it, is a collective decision taken simultaneously by the whole human race, to cease *believing* in capital. Since it only exists in our minds (I take it we all agree about this, no matter whether we call it an "idea" or a "spirit"), nothing more than a collective act of will is necessary to kill it.
As I say, I don't think this is very likely, but it would not be unprecedented. As we have seen on this thread, large numbers of people have decided, more or less simultaneously, to cease believing in God. Massive, seemingly inexplicable changes in human belief *do* occur, regularly, suddenly, and very often when they are least expected. That's the cause I'm going to spend my life working towards. I anticipate that lots of you will now scornfully say that material action is necessary to abolish capital. You have my every sympathy, and I wish you the best of luck. I would like nothing better than to see a world socialist revolution. But I simply don't believe its possible. Try and prove me wrong.
kyser_soze
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Jesus there's some shite on this thread but that post excelled even your high standards of waffling bollocks.
'The fact that capital does not exist ought to make it easy to abolish it.'
Would this be the same as an atheist hating something they don't believe exists?
'The fact that capital does not exist ought to make it easy to abolish it.'
Would this be the same as an atheist hating something they don't believe exists?
kyser_soze
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phildwyer said:
In physical form? Yeah, if you go to the bank and withdraw a load of paper money...as a metaphor for 'people that own and run stuff' yes again.
If something doesn't exist you can't abolish it phil. If capital doesn't exist, what would you suggest we call 'capitalism'? 'Demonism'?
kyser_soze
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NONONOONONONOO!
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nino_savatte
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phildwyer said:
You need to work on your 'wit', it stinks. But I suspect you have said this in order to pick another fight...predictable as clockwork.
Tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...tock...
kyser_soze said:
Yes, that's exactly what I've been arguing. Paper money *isn't* capital, as I've patiently and meticulously explained. Capital doesn't exist in any material form: its existence is supernatural, of the same nature as Satan's existence. It/he exists only in our minds. They can be abolished in the same sense that an illusion can be dispelled. Kyser, no offence, but we've been through this a hundred times on this thread, maybe you should go back and have a look before sticking your oar in?
nino_savatte
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nino_savatte
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phildwyer said:
And your love of creationism is showing...not just on this thread but the other, wonderful but provocatively titled "Darwinists running scared".
I had a better image but it was over 9k...shame...it rather summed you up.
nino_savatte
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nino_savatte said:And your love of creationism is showing...not just on this thread but the other, wonderful but provocatively titled "Darwinists running scared".
I had a better image but it was over 9k...shame...it rather summed you up.
Really Nino, kindly conceal your agenda more thoroughly. Its too early in the morning here to be confronted with your agenda quite so blatantly. Can you really be unaware of Foucault's fierce strictures against the open display of agendas before 2pm?
nino_savatte
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phildwyer said:
You sound just like the tossers that I've argued with on Delphi Forums: "Your bias is showing". A variation perhaps but original? I *don't* think.
nino_savatte said:You sound just like the tossers that I've argued with on Delphi Forums: "Your bias is showing". A variation perhaps but original? I *don't* think.
Nino, you have mistakenly tucked your agenda into your underpants. The entire room is staring at your agenda. Please return to the bathroom and put your agenda back where it belongs. Your agenda is just what I wanted to look at while having my lunch--I *don't* think!
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