The Home Office and UK government policy concerning asylum seekers/Rwanda deportations

[A380]

How has the use of the Navy increased the number of boats crossing? The Guardian doesn't explicate the causal link.

Para 11:

"Their committee has heard evidence from naval commanders that the use of navy assets would, far from being a deterrent, make the crossing safer and therefore more attractive to small boats."

Which seems obvious when you think about it from a migrant's perspective.

 

[NoXion]

Para 11:

"Their committee has heard evidence from naval commanders that the use of navy assets would, far from being a deterrent, make the crossing safer and therefore more attractive to small boats."

Which seems obvious when you think about it from a migrant's perspective.

Thanks, I missed that bit. I'm guessing that the Navy's presence means that people on small boats are more likely to be picked up, rather than left entirely to the tender mercies of the sea?

I do not understand how the Tories can keep selling themselves as an anti-immigration party. It's not like it's some kind of secret that there is a mismatch between their rhetoric and their actions. Tories love it when labour is pushed into precarious positions. "Rah, rah, we're sending in the Navy" might sound good in the moment if you're the kind of brain-dead flag shagger that the Tories seem to think we are, but after they've gone in, what do the likes of Patel expect them to do? The Navy has got better things to do than just sitting around the Channel with their thumbs up their arses and watching unarmed civilians drown. Turn them back? They're in little dinghies and I imagine they only have just enough fuel to get to the British side. I assume that France is not going to accept a Royal Navy ship offloading a bunch of people onto their shores either.

Even if you're the kind of selfish thoughtless prick who agrees that boatfuls of migrants should just be made into someone else's problem, this policy is an obvious failure.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Tried earlier to find out what the actual deal is with the Rwandan government, what are we paying them . Can’t find any solid info which is just so dodgy in itself. All that’s clear is that a big whack of the international aid budget has gone to ‘the economic development of Rwanda’ this year. Whole thing is just shameful.

Well the IT firm owned by Rishi Sunaks wife got the contracts out there didn’t they.

 

[A380]

Scrapping the contract with the company that used to provide airborne surveillance for a fairly cheap price was another great Tory decision...

 

[hitmouse]

Weekend of action against the deportation flights planned on the 16th-17th:

AADD

This week: Demonstration to Shut Manston Down, Sunday 06.11.2022, 2pm @ Manston Detention Camp. Please scroll below for more info & travel options.

sites.google.com

 

[teqniq]

In respect of my original intention to make this thread a more general one regarding Home Office and government policy, just read this. Makes me so fucking angry:

Woman who gave birth in Jamaica stranded after baby refused entry to UK

British resident Tiffany Ellis separated from husband and other child since last year after ‘callous’ Home Office decision

www.theguardian.com

Also someone's changed the thread title to specifically mention Rwanda which was never my original intention. i wanted this to be a much more general thread and although it is entirely to be expected that Rwanda would figure largely in news and discussion as the above article illustrates it's more than that; there's a baked-in long term issue of institutional racism.

 

[Calamity1971]

Patel will be grilled by the home affairs select committee this Wednesday on Channel crossings, the lack of safe, legal passage to the UK and her Rwanda asylum plan. The government has spent significant sums trying to remove asylum seekers to east Africa, but has yet to deport a single person.

Priti Patel’s plan to end Channel crossings in disarray as navy threatens to ‘walk away’

Official figures reveal that number of migrants crossing in small boats has doubled since military brought in

www.theguardian.com

I hope to see her squirm.

FFS. Didn't realise is wasn't mandatory to attend the select committee!

 

[NoXion]

Answering questions like that is part of the job. If you can't do that, fuck off and find yourself a career more suitable for your talents, like breaking rocks into smaller ones.

 

[hitmouse]

Updated listing for this weekend:

AADD

This week: Demonstration to Shut Manston Down, Sunday 06.11.2022, 2pm @ Manston Detention Camp. Please scroll below for more info & travel options.

sites.google.com

The demonstrations will be held at these sites on the following dates:

• Colnbrook & Harmondsworth (Heathrow Airport) - 16th July - 3pm
• Brook House & Tinsley House (Gatwick Airport) - 16th July - 3pm
• Derwentside/Hassockfield (Durham) - 16th July - 12pm
• Manchester Short Term Holding Facility - 16th July - 12pm
• Dungavel (South Lanarkshire) - 17th July - 2pm
• Bonn Square, Oxford - 16th July - 12pm

Although I have to admit to being a bit skeptical about how organised some of these will be?

 

[Dystopiary]

Petition by Freedom From Torture - Tell PM candidates don't send refugess to Rwanda.

Tell PM Candidates: Don't remove refugees to Rwanda

 

[teqniq]

 

[teqniq]

More on the above (a short thread):

 

[Dystopiary]

More on the above (a short thread):

That, "2116 documented cases," horrific.

 

[teqniq]

Completely disgusting:

Sunak’s hardline immigration plan includes cap on refugees and asylum detention ships

The former chancellor would withhold aid from poor countries that refused to cooperate

www.independent.co.uk

More detail in paywall busted Torygraph article:

Rishi Sunak vows to cap refugee numbers under ‘common sense’ asylum system

 

[campanula]

So keen to pull up the ladder after they have climbed the greasy rungs. Horrendous people

 

[teqniq]

Truss and Sunak definitely trying their best to appeal to racist dregs in the vermin (which I surmise is a fair proportion of them):

 

[teqniq]

Analysis of the Rwanda 'plan' finds it wanting:

Setting the Record Straight on Rwanda’s Asylum System

The issue is not about physical infrastructure but the quality of legal provision, practical assistance and the conditions facing refugees in Rwanda, writes Brad Blitz

bylinetimes.com

meanwhile Rwanda says it can only accept 200 refugees:

Tories spend £120m on Rwanda plan – but country 'can only accept 200 migrants'

RWANDA can only accept a “couple of hundred” migrants despite the Tory government already having spent £120 million on the scheme.

www.thenational.scot

 

[eatmorecheese]

Operation 'Red Meat' continues under any Tory avatar.

Despicable shits

 

[cupid_stunt]

Analysis of the Rwanda 'plan' find it wanting:

Setting the Record Straight on Rwanda’s Asylum System

The issue is not about physical infrastructure but the quality of legal provision, practical assistance and the conditions facing refugees in Rwanda, writes Brad Blitz

bylinetimes.com

meanwhile Rwanda says it can only accept 200 refugees:

Tories spend £120m on Rwanda plan – but country 'can only accept 200 migrants'

RWANDA can only accept a “couple of hundred” migrants despite the Tory government already having spent £120 million on the scheme.

www.thenational.scot

Great links, cheers for posting them.

So, we've blown £120m and they can take a maximum of 200, which is £600k per person, before you even add in all the legal costs involved in all endless court hearings, fucking unbelievable.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Great links, cheers for posting them.

So, we've blown £120m and they can take a maximum of 200, which is £600k per person, before you even add in all the legal costs involved in all endless court hearings, fucking unbelievable.

What’s the alternative?
Letting them be free to live their own lives, join and contribute to society? That’s not fiscally responsible.

 

[teqniq]

Baked-in racism may be appealing to the right wing but it most definitely not cost-effective:

Unlawful Home Office detentions ‘rising at alarming rate’ with record-high payouts

Exclusive: Home Office ‘wasting a staggering sum of taxpayers’ money’ while causing unnecessary suffering

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Matt Hancocks pub landlord got £40 million

 

[teqniq]

Matt Hancocks pub landlord got £40 million

What has this actually got to do with the thread? Establishment networking and corruption thread thataway >>>>

 

[teqniq]

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

What has this actually got to do with the thread? Establishment networking and corruption thread thataway >>>>

costs are not a measure for anything with this current lot.

 

[Chilli.s]

costs are not a measure for anything with this current lot.

Costs seem to be just a way to syphon cash off to mates with this lot

This Rwanda idea is insanely costly for what seems like complete cuckoo land thinking

 

[NoXion]

120 million quid for 200 people. It would literally be cheaper to keep them here. This bullshit policy of fucking off people to other countries we've bought off is a project of pure spite. Evil and stupid.

 

[Pickman's model]

If I was in charge the role of border force would change to hunting down the former people, in preparation for their removal to their austral destination

 

[Magnus McGinty]

120 million quid for 200 people. It would literally be cheaper to keep them here. This bullshit policy of fucking off people to other countries we've bought off is a project of pure spite. Evil and stupid.

I suppose its wider purpose is one of discouragement.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I suppose its wider purpose is one of discouragement.

I remember all those "don't smoke" educationnal movies from school
they didn't work either