The Home Office and UK government policy concerning asylum seekers/Rwanda deportations
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
But why does this rhetoric work?
What buttons is the Fail etc pressing that produce such obnoxious results?
The selfishness button, the racist button, the panic button?
What buttons is the Fail etc pressing that produce such obnoxious results?
The selfishness button, the racist button, the panic button?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
The selfish, racist panic button, obvs.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Nervous calls to Number 10 right now...
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm well seeming as the cannot do Tax cuts as Liz truss tried that
only thing they have left to go into the next election is racist dogwhistles
and pretty much a ploy to get right of european human right court the moment it blows up in thier face
look at the news this more the "anti woke anti Cancel culture lot" seem to be going to town on a football presenter
even get his boss's to tow the government line
only thing they have left to go into the next election is racist dogwhistles
and pretty much a ploy to get right of european human right court the moment it blows up in thier face
look at the news this more the "anti woke anti Cancel culture lot" seem to be going to town on a football presenter
even get his boss's to tow the government line
bimble
floofy
That’s the idea I think yep, start now and ramp it up for next couple of years.
bimble
floofy
Legal analysis of the bill here, which says that in the detail lie the loopholes that could in effect render it toothless, but it is not a reassuring read.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
As Spymaster will tell you, you don't want to follow through after eating boiled frog
bimble
floofy
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I think that's the outcome, but I really don't believe they are smart enough to operate that way. I think they genuinely believe this is a good idea and that the details are for their underlings to work out. I could be wrong. I also think Braverman is genuinely delusional. I don't want to be all gaslighty but I really think there's something not right with her. Who says "I dream of planes to rwanda"? She talks such gibberish it's like a fantasy world in her head.
bimble
floofy
Best case scenario as far as I can see:
They ramp up Stop The Boats for a couple of years and they completely fail to stop the boats.
What happens then with the disappointed and angry voters they were trying to appeal to with this is that they’ll be easy pickings for for the rightest right wing thing that’s on offer by then in our increasingly shitty political landscape.
So long term real world impact even if policy is just theatre guaranteed to fail. That’s best outcome isn’t it.
They ramp up Stop The Boats for a couple of years and they completely fail to stop the boats.
What happens then with the disappointed and angry voters they were trying to appeal to with this is that they’ll be easy pickings for for the rightest right wing thing that’s on offer by then in our increasingly shitty political landscape.
So long term real world impact even if policy is just theatre guaranteed to fail. That’s best outcome isn’t it.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
As a sidenote on language this is an article from 2001 (not a typo) regarding the change from using 'refugee' to using 'asylum seeker'.
www.theguardian.com
I note at the end they say this. Not sure that's worked as well as they hoped.
The linguistic solution is perhaps to phase out both "asylum seeker" and "illegal immigrant", and use only "refugee" and "migrant".
I guess even 'asylum seeker' is too sympathetic now for these tory cunts.
Mind your language: the semantics of asylum
Our confusion over the language of asylum reflects our confusion over the issue itself. In its report last Saturday of William Hague's speech on asylum policy, the Times referred to "asylum seekers" in its first paragraph; "immigrants" in its second; and "refugees" in its third. The terms...
I note at the end they say this. Not sure that's worked as well as they hoped.
The linguistic solution is perhaps to phase out both "asylum seeker" and "illegal immigrant", and use only "refugee" and "migrant".
I guess even 'asylum seeker' is too sympathetic now for these tory cunts.
bimble
floofy
They might feel the need to revive that old classic "aliens" .As a sidenote on language this is an article from 2001 (not a typo) regarding the change from using 'refugee' to using 'asylum seeker'.
Mind your language: the semantics of asylum
Our confusion over the language of asylum reflects our confusion over the issue itself. In its report last Saturday of William Hague's speech on asylum policy, the Times referred to "asylum seekers" in its first paragraph; "immigrants" in its second; and "refugees" in its third. The terms...
I note at the end they say this. Not sure that's worked as well as they hoped.
The linguistic solution is perhaps to phase out both "asylum seeker" and "illegal immigrant", and use only "refugee" and "migrant".
I guess even 'asylum seeker' is too sympathetic now for these tory cunts.
I've posted it before but this is from daily mail in 1938, i think its important to remember that this stuff is not new.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I have to say, come the next general election, a lot of us who will have to tactically vote Labour to dispose of the stinking Tories are going to have to do so with our noses firmly held.
bimble
floofy
They’ve all wilfully misread what the footballer said, he just said the LANGUAGE used by braverman was reminiscent of that time (which it absolutely is) not her policies. Stupid distraction, useful to them.
eta, this is what he actually wrote:
"There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s"
its very considered, it's definitely not 'they are being hitler' but all day long the news is about the bloody footballer, absolute crock of shit. That he's being "spoken to" by the BBC about it is properly grim though, what's that about.
eta, this is what he actually wrote:
"There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s"
its very considered, it's definitely not 'they are being hitler' but all day long the news is about the bloody footballer, absolute crock of shit. That he's being "spoken to" by the BBC about it is properly grim though, what's that about.
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stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Lineker was expressing his view on his own twitter, not a BBC account, or on the BBC itself. That the BBC have 'spoken to him' shows how in the pockets of this government they are, and trying to control any govt critical narrative from their presenters.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I am astonished how few people have picked up on this. IME you are the first person (apart from me) to notice this subtle distinction. Truly, we are damned.
bimble
floofy
How dare you say the great british public are a bunch of idiots you out of touch bleeding heart elitist etc..
This is how the culture war works, i really don't think it was a genuine mistake how his words were twisted & "misunderstood".
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
The tories are furious because Lineker speaks to middle England. If someone like Alexei Sayle said this they wouldn't care because he's considered a lefty comedian anyway. But good old Lineker is a football hero and has reach among the tory constituency, it terrifies them that those people might be persuaded to see these nascent nazis for what they are.
And then, I wondered why Yvette Cooper would be cross - but I realised, of course Labour will keep these policies when they win so they don't want them labelled far right policies in the mainstream discourse. Everyone is shitting the bed - and Lineker has gone up in my estimation. I hope he quits his BBC gig in protest.
And then, I wondered why Yvette Cooper would be cross - but I realised, of course Labour will keep these policies when they win so they don't want them labelled far right policies in the mainstream discourse. Everyone is shitting the bed - and Lineker has gone up in my estimation. I hope he quits his BBC gig in protest.
bimble
floofy
Idk about the second bit I think labour has an idea about “the red wall voter” and are terrified of losing them again, so they’ll be fighting the election denying that they’re the Soft On Immigrants party. Don’t think they’ll keep this policy anyway cos its useless.
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