The Green Party has some serious questions to answer

[Sea Star]

Oh come on. If Sea Star isnt allowed to reply to a statement that directly relates to her and contradicts her beliefs, how is that fair? She replied calmly, and in good humour. She gets to do that.

it's not something I ever want to talk about let alone "get out". It's something I mostly - to myself - pretend isn't there, but I don't ever deny it's reality which is why I'm waiting for surgery to remedy this thing I have.

I love how when I say something difficult and personal - to try to make light of what was quite a shitty and unsubstantiated claim - I get smeared as a pervert. Fab.

 

[campanula]

you really are a scumbag aren't you?

you are a whiny POS yourself

 

[co-op]

[QUOTE="SpackleFrog, post: 15708134, member: 58284]" Rad fem politics is rooted in the idea that differences between gender are innate and result from biology.

Right. Rad fems , they are the ones who say 'gender is innate'. You learn a new thing every day on here.[/QUOTE]

Probably best if you make it clear this is sarcasm, there’s a lot of ignorance on here.

 

[Pickman's model]

perhaps we could keep this thread to the discussion of the challenor case and the green party, and i'm not seeing much in david challenor's case about his identifying as trans.

 

[Sea Star]

you are a whiny POS yourself

OK - I'm fucking off. Clearly actual transgender people here to challenge your lies and smears not wanted.

 

[Sea Star]

there’s a lot of ignorance on here.

true enough

 

[kebabking]

...and i'm not seeing much in david challenor's case about his identifying as trans.

Would you like to put a friendly wager - £1 to a charity of choice - on, within a calendar year of going to the Nonce Wing, David Challoners' friends announce that he's (she's?) transgender and should be moved away from the bad men?

 

[Pickman's model]

Would you like to put a friendly wager - £1 to a charity of choice - on, within a calendar year of going to the Nonce Wing, David Challoners' friends announce that he's (she's?) transgender and should be moved away from the bad men?

ok then

i would also chuck another charity quid on him not being about for the completion of the bet

 

[SpackleFrog]

[QUOTE="SpackleFrog, post: 15708134, member: 58284]" Rad fem politics is rooted in the idea that differences between gender are innate and result from biology.

Right. Rad fems , they are the ones who say 'gender is innate'. You learn a new thing every day on here.[/QUOTE]

I love that you ditched the usual 'I'm so shy and stupid and I don't understand' schtick to suddenly become an expert on radical politics. Keep it up

 

[SpackleFrog]

OK - I'm fucking off. Clearly actual transgender people here to challenge your lies and smears not wanted.

I'm sorry about these dickheads Sea Star. Please don't fuck off - put them on ignore or something.

 

[Pickman's model]

I love that you ditched the usual 'I'm so shy and stupid and I don't understand' schtick to suddenly become an expert on radical politics. Keep it up

it's wicked to mock the afflicted.

 

[SpackleFrog]

it's wicked to mock the afflicted.

Sometimes I think you should get a new joke really but then it's just such a multi functional line.

 

[campanula]

perhaps we could keep this thread to the discussion of the challenor case and the green party, and i'm not seeing much in david challenor's case about his identifying as trans.

There is plenty of evidence of his involvment in self ID, terfblocking and generally silencing dissent.
And the absolute disingenuous lies put about by the son, AD...who 'knew nothing' but was happy to illegally give out misleading information regarding David Challenor's name as election agent.
Saville all over again.

And yep, fwiw, I am not inclined to listen to yet another man telling women we have nothing to worry about from predatory male perverts.

 

[Pickman's model]

There is plenty of evidence of his involvment in self ID, terfblocking and generally silencing dissent.
And the absolute disingenuous lies put about by the son, AD...who 'knew nothing' but was happy to illegally give out misleading information regarding David Challenor's name as election agent.
Saville all over again.

And yep, fwiw, I am not inclined to listen to yet another man telling women we have nothing to worry about from predatory male perverts.

if there's plenty of evidence then please introduce it to the thread.

 

[campanula]

Oh fuck off Pickman's - not trawling through yet more of the Challenor shit to attempt to convince people who's opinion means zero to me, on this matter.

 

[SpackleFrog]

More self evident evidence

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh fuck off Pickman's - not trawling through yet more of the Challenor shit to attempt to convince people who's opinion means zero to me, on this matter.

i had a look round earlier and i haven't found anything about his self-id'ing as trans. not so easy when everything you look for mentions the trans status of ac...

i thought if you'd seen stuff you'd be at least in a position to point to it.

 

[campanula]

Sigh - OK, will go there (back to cess pit)..

also, not specifically DC identifying as trans...but his fervent support of Self ID and blocking of dissenting voices (Terfblocker) which, given the hopeless definitions of 'trans' floating around, it would be foolish to dismiss any (ahem) ulterior motives for future perving).

 

[Pickman's model]

Sigh - OK, will go there (back to cess pit)..

thank you - have some waders

 

[campanula]

More self evident evidence

You can fuck off - go and do some reading about the GRA and, whilst you are about it, exactly what rad feminist thought involves...because from where I am, you are just another bleating right-on male with no fucking skin in the game.

 

[8ball]

Trans people are not responsible for others who do bad shit. But allowing self id across the board has risks for women and girls. David Challenor dressed in a 'little girl' outfit and demanded his 10 year old female victim call him by a female name. David Challenor was a scoutmaster. David Challenor's child sat on a panel which discussed self id being desirable within Girl Guiding UK both for the children and the adult helpers. How anyone can't join the dots here and see how incredibly dangerous this could be for female children needs to fucking give their head a wobble.

It confuses the hell out of me where this stuff could be coming from.

 

[8ball]

I'm sorry about these dickheads Sea Star. Please don't fuck off - put them on ignore or something.

Seconded. Best drop the cross-thread beef.

 

[spanglechick]

You can fuck off - go and do some reading about the GRA and, whilst you are about it, exactly what rad feminist thought involves...because from where I am, you are just another bleating right-on male with no fucking skin in the game.

I have skin in the game. How will the GRA change men like DC's access to women or girls? What will they be newly able to do?

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

Not so long ago being gay was equated with paedophilia by some who joined the dots"

Not so long ago, pedophiles squirmed their way into the Gay Rights movement. Lets not let that happen with the LGBT movement.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The thing about being somewhat mentally compromised though is it doesn’t mean you no longer have the ability to be savvy. I have this argument with people where I work all the time, where people suffer profound memory problems, anxiety issues, maybe ever physical issues such as being partially sighted- but one instance of savvyness means all of it must be a lie. It’s really complicated that sort of thing and difficult to put down in black and white cause it’s like how do you ever know how compromised and able a person is really.
I know that’s not what you mean, but I hope you see what I mean. She’s a 20 year old girl that’s found out her dad is a monster FFS. So for that reason I simply choose to not issue a judgement either way, because I have no idea what that does. Why is that never an option? Oh yeah it’s urban

I agree with your conclusion.

 

[co-op]

Not so long ago, pedophiles squirmed their way into the Gay Rights movement. Lets not let that happen with the LGBT movement.

I am so old I remember the debates. “Children are sexual beings” - sort of true. “The age of consent doesn’t make sense - it’s too young for some, too old for others” - also sort of true. “Everyone’s basically bisexual anyway”(so older men can hit on non-gay young men) - sort of true.

It’s easy to kind of let it go by on the nod.

PIE ended up affiliated with the NCCL for a while if I remember rightly. In the post 60s atmosphere any and all liberations were equivalent, especially sexual ones because everyone was (still is I think) so shy and coy about sex and sexuality. This is partly how the hipster genderqueer crowd get their power now, they act like they are the ones who know whats going on and are having the funkiest time in bed. Actually they’ll be up to the same old shambling learn-as-you-go as in the old days. The main difference now is they are so dominated by pornography, the overlap between hentai/anime and TG is pretty massive. But I don’t want to kink-shame, obviously, or the silly haircut brigade will get cross.

But this game of who is the most hip with the kinkiest is pretty much designed for abusive male sexuality to find full expression.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Just checked the usual news sources and it looks to me like there is a strong suggestion that it *is* JB but unproven as yet. EG



But you're right no proof. No denial. Expensive lawyers - Peter Carter-Ruck no less!

Carter-Ruck. Hmmmm... They are often mentioned in the Eye.

There used to be a very famous lawyer in Glasgow, Joe Beltrami, very expensive, but very successful. The joke used to be 'Who is his lawyer?' 'Beltrami' ' Oh, he's guilty then?'.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I am still struggling with the statement from Coventry Pride that states, 'The Trustees were made aware of criminal proceedings being taken against Mr Challenor in November 2016', and the statement from Aimee that she only recently became aware of her father's crimes, when she was a trustee of Coventry Pride.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I am still struggling with the statement from Coventry Pride that states, 'The Trustees were made aware of criminal proceedings being taken against Mr Challenor in November 2016', and the statement from Aimee that she only recently became aware of her father's crimes, when she was a trustee of Coventry Pride.

We can all be fuckwits, even those who should know better.

PIE controversy: Harriet Harman has got this one wrong

 

[Sasaferrato]

There is plenty of evidence of his involvment in self ID, terfblocking and generally silencing dissent.
And the absolute disingenuous lies put about by the son, AD...who 'knew nothing' but was happy to illegally give out misleading information regarding David Challenor's name as election agent.
Saville all over again.

And yep, fwiw, I am not inclined to listen to yet another man telling women we have nothing to worry about from predatory male perverts.

Quite.