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Some people in the LSE somewhere along the process have been told that they are out of it, explicitly because they are foreign, after a communique from the Foreign Office. There's been counterspin around this about it being a misunderstanding but the originators are pretty clear about where the issue came from, which hasn't been challenged.
 
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FridgeMagnet said:
Some people in the LSE somewhere along the process have been told that they are out of it, explicitly because they are foreign, after a communique from the Foreign Office. There's been counterspin around this about it being a misunderstanding but the originators are pretty clear about where the issue came from, which hasn't been challenged.
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What's the basis for their removal though? Howling racism? Populism (to who?) Conflict of interest? These peoples views as regards things?

This thing highlights how little say any one has or had over anything but nio, the story is posh neo-libs lose specific job advising posh domestic neo-libs.

The fist post on this even dares assume that academics means = great.
 
hot air baboon said:
based on the process being quicker in a 1:1 negotiation presumably rather than the glacial non-progress exhibited by the EU to-date .....and the not un-related factor that the assymetry in size makes countries more cautious about opening their markets to a huge bloc than to single trading partners...
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The asymmetry in size puts the smaller group at a disadvantage in negotiations. It's naive to think the UK can act more strongly alone. Also, there are the 53 trade deals the EU has in place already. Rip those up, renegotiate - South Korea have already said that this will have to happen. And the deals with the likes of China will be struck in parallel with the EU, which is already in the process of negotiating a deal. Which deal will China see as the more important?

It's a total mess. Davis may come across as less of a clueless fool than Fox, but both of them are deluded.

And let's not forget what Davis wants here. He wants deals with countries outside the EU that allow lower standards than an EU deal would tolerate. He says so explicitly in the document that got him his current job. Lower manufacturing standards, environmental standards, health and safety standards. Whatever it takes to get the deal. These are hard-nosed right-wing free marketeer tories. And they're the ones pushing their agenda wrt business policy.
 
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Geez, only right wing media sources accepted around here now? Ok, fill your boots.

LSE vows to stand by foreign academics after Brexit ban

London School of Economics accuses Government of barring foreign academics from advising on Brexit

UK government bars foreign academics from Brexit work, LSE claims

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littlebabyjesus said:
The asymmetry in size puts the smaller group at a disadvantage in negotiations. It's naive to think the UK can act more strongly alone. Also, there are the 53 trade deals the EU has in place already. Rip those up, renegotiate - South Korea have already said that this will have to happen. And the deals with the likes of China will be struck in parallel with the EU, which is already in the process of negotiating a deal. Which deal will China see as the more important?

It's a total mess. Davis may come across as less of a clueless fool than Fox, but both of them are deluded.

And let's not forget what Davis wants here. He wants deals with countries outside the EU that allow lower standards than an EU deal would tolerate. He says so explicitly in the document that got him his current job. Lower manufacturing standards, environmental standards, health and safety standards. Whatever it takes to get the deal. These are hard-nosed right-wing free marketeer tories. And they're the ones pushing their agenda wrt business policy.
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We're fucked basically, in every orifice :(.
 
Boo hoo. Best placed experts not listened to. What happened in that weird pre-2008 period? Listen to what you're fucking told. Don't challenge it.

Oh that's right, everyone was busy being a racist. (social attitudes survey back that up of course)
 
butchersapron said:
Boo hoo. Best placed experts not listened to. What happened in that weird pre-2008 period? Listen to what you're fucking told. Don't challenge it.

Oh that's right, everyone was busy being a racist. (social attitudes survey back that up of course)
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Sure, that nice Michael Gove said everyone was tired of listening to experts. :facepalm:
 
CRI said:
Sure, that nice Michael Gove said everyone was tired of listening to experts. :facepalm:
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Thank you.

What happened actually? He was right. And you liberal's continued to conflate technical expertise with social views - with having the right views. Like 19th century throwbacks - science = politics.
 
Hard Brexit...

Negotiating position or is she serious?

I'm hoping the former which gives me some confidence that we just might not get completely fucked in the negotiations. We'll still lose out by leaving though. No way we'll get a better deal with Europe from outside of the EU than what we currently have.
 
bimble said:
I haven't got a clue what was said but it does look like the headlines were not accurate, nobody at LSE is actually going to be barred from joining in whatever discussions on the basis of what passport they hold.
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You mean a u-turn's been done behind closed doors
 
Can anyone find that polling piece from about 10 years ago that found regular Guardian readers most likely to believe what it printed?
 
Pickman's model said:
You mean a u-turn's been done behind closed doors
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If you look at the link I posted above you'll see that this whole story was apparently based on a single telephone conversation and that if the FO were to try to actually implement the idea they'd have had big legal problems doing so.
 
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littlebabyjesus said:
There is a basic contradiction here. If Brexit were being done to pursue a non-neoliberal course, that would be one thing. Fuck the trade deals - if they're not quite as good, we'll live with it. But it's not. It's being done by high-neo-liberal tories who have no intention of abandoning full-throttle capitalism. On their own terms, brexit makes no sense whatever.
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This is quite true. Under the tories it is going to be full throttle backwards. I would not say fuck the trade deals though. They are very important as we are going to discover when we no longer have them. What really gets me about this is how it looks overseas. I speak to people all over the world as part of my job and I am sick and tired of having to explain that not everyone in Britain is a fucking idiot, quite the reverse. We have had decades of anti-European propaganda from an establishment looking for a scapegoat to cover their own failing and yet 48% voted the right way.

I was going to move to Spain but I am having more than a few second thoughts. It will be a lot harder to afford and also I am not sure if I want to have to explain all this on a face to face basis. I am very lucky that I look like a slav but the second I open my gob I am going to get that certain leper look. Plus I have to admit, if I were from another EU country with the sole exception of Ireland, it would be really really hard not to laugh at the British
 
littlebabyjesus said:
There is a basic contradiction here. If Brexit were being done to pursue a non-neoliberal course, that would be one thing. Fuck the trade deals - if they're not quite as good, we'll live with it. But it's not. It's being done by high-neo-liberal tories who have no intention of abandoning full-throttle capitalism. On their own terms, brexit makes no sense whatever.
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I think your bolded part is in danger of mis-understanding and under-estimating the ideals that motivate the Atlanticist neoliberals that have driven the political process culminating in the Brexit vote. From the outset the public 'debate' around sovereignty etc. masked the real ideological differences between neoliberals. Between those who believed in georegionally differentiated delivery of neoliberal goals, (via FTAs etc.), and those with more 'Atlanticist', normative outlook who believe Neoliberalism is best effected by global free-trade unencumbered by regional unions.

The ideological 'base' that lay below the froth of the Leave 'superstructure' always saw the undoing of the European political Union as a means to ushering in a new, purer period of neoliberal acceleration without the inconvenience of regionally differentiated patterns of regulation. To these forces Brexit makes complete sense.
 
Sovereignty ('taking back control of our laws') was the most popular reason cited by Out voters, yet the government seems to be making the loudest noises about immigration. Aren't the tories guilty more than anyone of assuming that Out voters were 'thick racists' then?
 
Dogsauce said:
Sovereignty ('taking back control of our laws') was the most popular reason cited by Out voters, yet the government seems to be making the loudest noises about immigration. Aren't the tories guilty more than anyone of assuming that Out voters were 'thick racists' then?
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you mean they think they are just like them
 
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