The Brexit process
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Hoorah for democracy!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Any defeat for the tories is worth enjoying.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I bet the hedge fund managers and coalition of extremely wealthy ex-pats behind this weren't that bothered about the operation of govt prerogative when it was being used to tear down communities, attack social spending and bolster tax-avoidance etc to their personal benefit. But who knows eh?
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Any cunt MP who votes against the 'will of the people' must surely have his or her head spiked up on a bridge. Fuck, I'd even chip in for the Garden Bridge so we have somewhere new to do it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
not-bono-ever
meh
There are few countries that look as utterly incompetent on the world stage time and time again.
ska invita
back on the other side
I expect it will come to a vote (appeals, if any, will fail).
All eyes on the tories... Good reason to believe there are enough of them who really don't want Brexit, no matter what they say in public. Id expect sicknotes a plenty on the day of the vote.
Would it be a free vote or whipped, I wonder? Does that whipping really make much of a difference?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is an attempt by the govt to use the royal prerogative to bypass parliament, something govts are able to do a great deal in the UK system, giving the prime minister of the day huge powers. But they're trying to have things both ways - we must be allowed to do this without parliamentary scrutiny because referendum, but oh, we're not doing it until the end of next March, because narrow political calculation. If the govt is so worried about the referendum mandate, why did they not trigger a50 immediately? Why are they waiting the best part of a year to do it?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Whipping makes all the difference, a three line whip and you must come in and vote the right way even if in a coma, failure to do so means losing the whip = booted out of the party.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Pretty meaningless in the Lords though.
ska invita
back on the other side
If you defy the whip are you guaranteed the boot? I feel like people do defy it, and I can't remember a case of someone getting booted? Maybe I'm not paying attention
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
corrected for you
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a potential mess. I don't see how they can whip it, tbh. Many tory MPs (and labour for that matter) can legitimately say that they are personally opposed to brexit, and have a record showing as much, that so is the majority in their constituency, and that they campaigned in the last election on that basis.
Also, if they are presented with anything more sophisticated than 'in/out, yes/no', they can legitimately say that it is their job to scrutinise that and then be held accountable for their decision after that scrutiny. That's what a parliament is supposed to be for.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the new unhappy lords
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
A bunch of labour MPs defied one the other day in a dig at Corbyn more than anything, nothing happened.
Back in the real world, yes it is likely you'd be out of the party and for a chinless wonder like Jeremy Hunt, for example, that would mean losing your seat at the next election. So most won't go near that except on a point of massive principal that they can't back out of.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Clappers - a question for (some of) you:
Do you imagine that you'd argue the same way about the supremacy of parliament if say the referendum was on the taking of the railways into public ownership - same result (yes winning) and same 75% opposed in parliament. If you answer yes, that it's up to the (opposed) parliament to decide, then fair enough, you're arguing on the principle you say you are. If no, then not. You're just cheering political top-down moves to block an action that you don't personally support.
Do you imagine that you'd argue the same way about the supremacy of parliament if say the referendum was on the taking of the railways into public ownership - same result (yes winning) and same 75% opposed in parliament. If you answer yes, that it's up to the (opposed) parliament to decide, then fair enough, you're arguing on the principle you say you are. If no, then not. You're just cheering political top-down moves to block an action that you don't personally support.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
right. so the vote was in june. we are now in november. and now, and only now, as ukip prepare to shuffle off this mortal coil, does nf emerge from his beery haze and notice that all is not well in the garden of brexit.
not-bono-ever
meh
Only 51.9% will be angry and on the streets nige and I think the 48.1% of pro EU urban elites will likely be better tooled up to crush the uprising. A scorched earth policy of everywhere above the M25 will the likely result
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it seems to me that parliament had to be involved in this process and the moves to bypass it were, in constitutional terms (as far as that ever applies) illegitimate. by trying to bypass parliament, the government were in effect suggesting a rough ride might be had and it might be impossible to get through. in a way this attempt to bypass them may encourage those opposed to departure.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
just burn down cliff richard's saddamite palace to encourage the others.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
isn't democracy grandHoorah for democracy!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The question needs to be: "Do you support the result of the referendum: YES/NO ?" Through the no door lies the guillotine.
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