The Brexit process
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bimble
floofy
If less foreigners = a £20 note but yeah I agree, nobody can see the European Single Market . Does this mean the referendum was a stupid question too though?
mauvais
on reddit or something
Everyone's been beaten over the head with the message that immigration is bad, immigration is here, immigration has gone too far. No fucking wonder that people prioritise that over something in the future that even the politicians and their watchers can't seem to fathom the exact value of.
The only thing clear to me is that the idiots are winning, not one side or the other, just the idiots.
bimble
floofy
Here's a yougov poll which asked leave voters pretty much the same question - what if anything would cause you to feel that brexit had been a bad thing after all.
The results show that the majority of leave voters don't believe there will be any negative consequences at all, fewer than 10% think this is likely.
But even so, if it turns out that the price of the weekly shop goes up, or unemployment rises, it would be enough to change the result of the referendum.
YouGov | What would make Leave voters change their mind about Brexit?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So, did Nissan panic May into some knee-jerk corporate welfare, and/or has she signalled (inadvertently?) her negotiation objectives?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You've misread it, fewer than 10% believe there there will be any negative consequences apart from the two laid out - economy worsening, food bill going up. I still find some of those results surprising.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
econometrics. See e.g. "railroads and American economic growth"
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fewer than 20% would consider changing their opinion if those negative things happen. That's pretty surprising to me. Brexit fucks up the economy and makes me worse off? Still voting for it. The response to an increase in unemployment (just 1 in 5 would consider changing their minds) is particularly ironic given that immigration was such a big issue for so many brexit voters. British dole queue for British people... Strikes me as not just a fuck you to the establishment. It's a fuck you to anybody who isn't me. That's very fucked up.
bimble
floofy
or maybe just a fuck it, coming from the possibly mistaken feeling that things can't get any worse.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There are measurables in there - the massive difference in expectations between leave voters and remain voters as to the damage brexit might do to the economy. One or other group is going to be shown to be right. Where does that leave the decision? If most of those who voted out turn out to have been wrong about the effect of brexit on the UK economy, who is held responsible for the damage? That's one of the inherent contradictions of the situation as it is now - brexit must happen even if it causes various kinds of damage to the UK, even if those doing it don't think it's the right thing to do, even if most of those who voted for it were mistaken or unrealistic in their beliefs about what it would actually mean. We have this one poll, fixed in time, that must be obeyed no matter what.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
affect. I've nailed down where this comes from, people have taken on the language of effects from special effects and so forth. Simple one is: the weather affects me. Effect as doing affect as done to. Thats before we get into 'he affects the air of a prince' and affectation usages
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Pickman's model has lost out on the U75 2016 pendant award 
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I've been getting annoyed by the US english usage of 'bias' recently also. A news outlet can be biased. It cannot be bias. The bias is the thing the outlet is biased toward. And don't get me started on 'addicting' WHICH ISN'T A REAL WORD. The word is addictive
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Used as a noun, bias can be demonstrated by the output of a biased news outlet.
I've been getting annoyed by the US english usage of 'bias' recently also. A news outlet can be biased. It cannot be bias. The bias is the thing the outlet is biased toward. And don't get me started on 'addicting' WHICH ISN'T A REAL WORD. The word is addictive
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
I read an article (will post later when not on phone) that if the referendum had been on a constituency basis, the 51.9% brexit vote would have secured 61% of the parliamentary seats. This is why MPs, 74% of whom were remain, are being more terse than might be expected on opposing the catastrophe of a 'hard' brexit. They're cautious, because they fear for their seat in the next election. So, not only does it show up yet again how terribly wrong the fptp system is, but it could see us sleepwalking into deep, terminal decline.
In the words of Billy Bragg: the Third World is just around the corner.
In the words of Billy Bragg: the Third World is just around the corner.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its ugly languange regardless. See also protest as a transitive verb. I know man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath made for man but it grates.
'fox news is bias'
does not sit right with me.
JimW
支那暗杀团
If the context was the question "What is bias in the media anyway?" you might allow it but otherwise you're right. They've buglarised the language
Mr Bishie hopig other pendants will break coverPickman's model has lost out on the U75 2016 pendant award
JimW
支那暗杀团
Can't just leave that pendant hanging there.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think that a sentence along the lines of..."Fox news had shown bias in its coverage of..." has always been fine.If the context was the question "What is bias in the media anyway?" you might allow it but otherwise you're right. They've buglarised the language
JimW
支那暗杀团
True, but I was trying to conjure a context where "Fox new is bias" or similar might be OK, which it might just be in a direct answer to the question I posed. Pendants hang tough!
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
I've been getting annoyed by the US english usage of 'bias' recently also. A news outlet can be biased. It cannot be bias. The bias is the thing the outlet is biased toward. And don't get me started on 'addicting' WHICH ISN'T A REAL WORD. The word is addictive
And when the fuck did "ouster" become acceptable
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Here's a link to that article I mention in post 438.
Most MPs are terrified of opposing Brexit because the constituency vote for Leave is far greater than the national vote
Most MPs are terrified of opposing Brexit because the constituency vote for Leave is far greater than the national vote
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Assuming for the minute that this is true why is it a bad thing? MPs are supposed (ha ha) to represent their constituents.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The referendum result is not a mandate for any particular form of brexit. Specifically, it is not at all a mandate for a 'hard' brexit with the ending of free movement of people. Given that 48 percent voted in a way that implicitly endorsed continuing free movement of people, even if a majority of those who voted leave want some kind of hard brexit, if only 10 percent of leave voters oppose versions of 'hard brexit', that gives a majority against hard brexit.
The worry is that opposition to various forms of brexit is being silenced because only a majority view within just 52 percent of voters is being listened to, even though it is actually still a minority view. The 'we are the 48 percent' types miss this, I think. They miss that they have allies among the 52 percent, enough allies to make the views they have in common regarding the kinds of things that should not happen with brexit majority views.
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