The Attack On Working Tax Credits: Implentation & Propaganda.

[BigTom]

Housing benefit currently covers the full cost of the rent, but could be cut so all tenants have to pay at least 10% of the rent.

Pedantry:
Local Housing Allowance sets capped maximum rent levels based the number of rooms (Shared house, 1 room, 2, 3, 4+ iirc are the bands). If you are under 35 you only qualify for the shared house rate. The LHA was brought in in 2008 and affected some people whose rent was no longer covered, particularly people in eg 2 bed places but single person so instead of getting the rent paid, they now qualify only for the shared house rate (or if over 35 the 1 bed rate) or people in above average rent cost places had to find the difference themselves or move out.
Easier than saying that HB will only cover a maximum of 90% of the rent, is just to reduce the caps on the LHA.

 

[MochaSoul]

I don't see much of a solution unless the unions go all out.

The public won't do anything. There's actions planned for wednesday; mass 'die in' events being planned by the People's Assembly. I hate to decry any kind of activism but these will change nothing. They might raise awareness, but at 5pm on a hot wednesday afternoon when people jsut want to go home?

I wish I would be more positive about these events.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

-- Frederick Douglass

The limits of endurance don't reach every one in the same way or at the same time though, and, besides, too many people are too easily fooled.

 

[Libertad]

-- Frederick Douglass

The limits of endurance don't reach every one in the same way or at the same time though and besides too many people are too easily fooled.

I'm adopting a policy towards those who espouse reactionary views of simply smacking them in the mouth. I don't have the energy to administer a full kicking so that will have to suffice.

 

[zxspectrum]

-- Frederick Douglass

The limits of endurance don't reach every one in the same way or at the same time though and besides too many people are too easily fooled.

Indeed, so what can we do other than listen to Russell Brand's prattlings, pretend the unions meet words with deeds, or wishful thinking? I just don't see anything happening. The People's Assembly seems to be offering little more than hope. If there are any other alternatives or groups, then I'm not aware of them myself (which is entirely possible since I'm no expert n activism by any means).

 

[DotCommunist]

after ukip, us.

 

[MochaSoul]

Indeed, so what can we do other than listen to Russell Brand's prattlings, pretend the unions meet words with deeds, or wishful thinking? I just don't see anything happening. The People's Assembly seems to be offering little more than hope. If there are any other alternatives or groups, then I'm not aware of them myself (which is entirely possible since I'm no expert n activism by any means).

I didn't post in disagreement with you. Quite the opposite. I only meant to say that it will take something much bigger than The People's Assembly et al for anything to happen. However, if Douglass is right when he says "just what any people will quietly submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them", for that to actually happen, it will take a lot more suffering of a lot more people and even when that happens a lot of those people will turn on each other instead of on the actual deliverers of injustice and suffering.

I'm pretty sure that the actual powers that be rely on the writings/teachings of such as Douglass' when devising their divide and rule plots. Why, for instance, is mainstream media so right wing?

 

[MochaSoul]

after ukip, us.

I wish I could be that optimistic. I really do.
I'm depressed anyway and thinking about it all, for me and for all those out there in a worse state than me, just makes it worse.

 

[DotCommunist]

I wish I could be that optimistic. I really do.
I'm depressed anyway and thinking about it all, for me and for all those out there in a worse state than me, just makes it worse.

sorry I was paraphrasing a half remembered quote there from the german KPD as hitler took power, 'after the nazis, us' (google says After Hitler, we will take over!”)yeah that went well eh.

Its one of the concerning things (to take a wider focus for a sec) about the troika deliberately trying to kill syzria. There will be another 'anti capitalist outfit', and this one might be wearing the golden dawn symbols

 

[MochaSoul]

ts one of the concerning things (to take a wider focus for a sec) about the troika deliberately trying to kill syzria. There will be another 'anti capitalist outfit', and this one might be wearing the golden dawn symbols

I know.
The Greek crisis is never really out of my focus these days. I may not like Tsipras and Varoufakis that much but they sound a lot less out for their own selves than the media portrays them and, also, we need them to give the wider European Left an inspiring lift. The various European peoples need it their left back.

 

[treelover]

This might be the wrong place, but I think it relevant to the topic as pertains to the imminent budget and presumed welfare cuts.

From the BBC:

Plans to scrap part of the UK's main sickness benefit are being considered, a leaked Whitehall paper suggests.

It describes the Employment and Support Allowance as a "passive" benefit which does not "incentivise" people to find a job, and proposes abolishing the work-related activity group (WRAG) category.

If scrapped, weekly payments would drop nearly £30 from £102.15, bringing it in line with Jobseeker's Allowance.

The Department for Work and Pensions said it did not comment on leaks.

The government is seeking to save £12bn from its welfare bill.

It is expected next week's Budget will unveil only some of its proposed cuts, with others to be announced in the autumn spending review.

Huffpost says:


Charlie Pickles of the think tank Reform says change to ESA is overdue. ‘We are just not seeing people come off the benefit....we are seeing very high numbers just staying on the benefit’.

Whether or not this is just rumourmongering based on 'blue sly' policy masturbation by arseholes is one thing. The attitudes displayed in these quotes is another matter entirely and completely in tune with how Osborne and the Tories now think. I am quite sure they do believe that ESA is, in their words, "passive". I find that deeply chilling: it suggests that those on it are just lazy and that the benefit (created by Labour of course) is keeping them that way. That their issues are not due to illness and that, again, disability is to be eradicated from the public consciousness.

This Charlie Pickles individual seems to thing that people should come off the benefit. She doesn't even consider that some people can't, or that recovery, where technically possible, is hampered by living in a fucking tory shithole human nightmare.

that's is because they are fucking sick , you obscenity

time for

"Citizen, this imbecile costs you 60'000 Reich Marks a year"

Poster in Germany in the 1930's.

 

[treelover]

 

[Jackobi]

time for

"Citizen, this imbecile costs you 60'000 Reich Marks a year"

Poster in Germany in the 1930's.

That reminds me of Jeremy Hunt's recent proposal to mark prescriptions valued at more than £20 with 'Funded by UK taxpayers', just in case you don't feel guilty enough about being ill enough to need medicine which you cannot afford.

If anyone's a sick fucker, it's you, Hunt.

 

[Sasaferrato]

That reminds me of Jeremy Hunt's recent proposal to mark prescriptions valued at more than £20 with 'Funded by UK taxpayers', just in case you don't feel guilty enough about being ill enough to need medicine which you cannot afford.

If anyone's a sick fucker, it's you, Hunt.

I think the point is more 'This is what it costs, complete the course'. Unfortunately, the majority of antibiotics fall well below the twenty quid mark, and therefore won't be labelled. Failure to complete the course of antibiotics is one of the major drivers of antibiotic resistance.

 

[Sasaferrato]

IDS the cunt who can't run a farming business without a state handout, 1500000euro in 10 years he has had (well his wife has).

Of course, he is the only farmer to have had this subsidy, and where is your proof that the farm would have failed without the subsidy?

I have no love whatsoever for IDS, I really don't, but I really cannot see what unsubstantiated bollocks brings to the discussion.

 

[MochaSoul]

I think the point is more 'This is what it costs, complete the course'. Unfortunately, the majority of antibiotics fall well below the twenty quid mark, and therefore won't be labelled. Failure to complete the course of antibiotics is one of the major drivers of antibiotic resistance.

Yeah! Let's hit those having to go through nasty as well as expensive cancer treatments instead and make them feel even worse about their lives.

 

[zxspectrum]

that's is because they are fucking sick , you obscenity

time for

"Citizen, this imbecile costs you 60'000 Reich Marks a year"

Poster in Germany in the 1930's.

are you calling me an obscenity?

I don't agree with this government, i would think that clear from any post i've made so far! Including the one you're quoting.

I hope I have misunderstood you, and not the other way round.

 

[CNT36]

I think the point is more 'This is what it costs, complete the course'. Unfortunately, the majority of antibiotics fall well below the twenty quid mark, and therefore won't be labelled. Failure to complete the course of antibiotics is one of the major drivers of antibiotic resistance.

Aye, boys mother failed to make sure he completed one course of antibiotics over a period of less than a month. He's been put on stronger ones for 6months but for the second time she hasn't put the repeat in and he's now been two weeks without.

 

[treelover]

are you calling me an obscenity?

I don't agree with this government, i would think that clear from any post i've made so far! Including the one you're quoting.

I hope I have misunderstood you, and not the other way round.

of course I wouldn't call you an obscenity, not least that you make great contributions to this site, but no, I wouldn't, I was referring to the 'think tank' twat.

some posters on here don't hold back though.

 

[treelover]

Osborne is increasingly reminding me of the Governor-General of the General Govt in Poland, Hans Frank, no he hasn't massacred anyone, but with a slip of the pen, he can define/ruin their lives of millions and not in a positive,way, "26,00 benefit cap, , no, lets see if the proles will accept 20'000 without a fight", and of course "they will fight among themselves to see who gets the most crumbs"

 

[josef1878]

I think the point is more 'This is what it costs, complete the course'. Unfortunately, the majority of antibiotics fall well below the twenty quid mark, and therefore won't be labelled. Failure to complete the course of antibiotics is one of the major drivers of antibiotic resistance.

I think the point is more 'This is what it costs because we are being fleeced by the drug manufacturers, count yourself lucky because if you had a rare iĺlness andi it cost more a spreadsheet would tell me I would have to let you die'

 

[DexterTCN]

Of course, he is the only farmer to have had this subsidy, and where is your proof that the farm would have failed without the subsidy?

I have no love whatsoever for IDS, I really don't, but I really cannot see what unsubstantiated bollocks brings to the discussion.

I think it's the point that he's taking huge benefits for himself whilst cutting them for others.

ie. hypocrisy....from a rich person...to the poor. It transcends hypocrisy and becomes a moral failure. I take large benefits and cut your tiny ones. There's something wrong with you because you take benefits. I am superior to you so I deserve greater benefits than you will ever see.

You are to forfeit. You are to be punished and slandered. I deserve.

That kind of thing, maybe?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Still...let's not get too down. Things are looking up for some.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...signed-photo-of-the-new-cabinet-10362163.html

 

[Sasaferrato]

I think it's the point that he's taking huge benefits for himself whilst cutting them for others.

ie. hypocrisy....from a rich person...to the poor. It transcends hypocrisy and becomes a moral failure. I take large benefits and cut your tiny ones. There's something wrong with you because you take benefits. I am superior to you so I deserve greater benefits than you will ever see.

You are to forfeit. You are to be punished and slandered. I deserve.

That kind of thing, maybe?

No. Under the CAP the farm is eligible for the subsidy, end of. I could understand your outrage if iBS was getting something others weren't, but he isn't. There is absolutely no connection between a family farm, and him being a politician.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

He's still a 2 faced sponging, freeloading, blaspheming, psychopathic stain on the nation. His place in high office is a severe discredit to the UK and the very concept of government.

ETA: His subsidies come via his wife's families property and an EU he professes to be very skeptical of. He's utter scum.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Osborne is increasingly reminding me of the Governor-General of the General Govt in Poland, Hans Frank, no he hasn't massacred anyone, but with a slip of the pen, he can define/ruin their lives of millions and not in a positive,way, "26,00 benefit cap, , no, lets see if the proles will accept 20'000 without a fight", and of course "they will fight among themselves to see who gets the most crumbs"

Ever thought that you are pissing into the wind? This government (much to everyone's surprise, due to the stunning ineptitude of the polling companies) was elected with an overall majority. They took 36.9% of the vote, to Labour's 30.5%

This would indicate, on the face of it, that there are a large number of people in the country who support benefit changes. 60.4% of British families receive a state benefit of one sort or another. This figure has dropped recently, and paradoxically (by socialist doctrine at least), the largest number of losers in terms of benefit reduction or loss, are the better off.

So, we have two figures. 36.9% of the national vote, and 60.4% of all families receiving a state benefit. It becomes obvious that a proportion of those in receipt of benefits voted Conservative, although God alone knows why. Whilst this pertains, Labour is going nowhere fast. (It is a leap of faith of course to assume that the Labour Party in its present form would remedy the damage caused by the current government.)

 

[Sasaferrato]

He's still a 2 faced sponging, freeloading, blaspheming, psychopathic stain on the nation. His place in high office is a severe discredit to the UK and the very concept of government.

ETA: His subsidies come via his wife's families property and an EU he professes to be very skeptical of. He's utter scum.

I don't disagree with the 'utter scum'.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Astonishing really. Anyone might think that years of widespread,concerted, relenteless and mendacious propaganda lies against benefits claimants might have an effect on voter perceptions.

 

[DotCommunist]

He's still a 2 faced sponging, freeloading, blaspheming, psychopathic stain on the nation. His place in high office is a severe discredit to the UK and the very concept of government.

when did he take the lords name in vain.

Astonishing really. Anyone might think that years of widespread,concerted, relenteless and mendacious propaganda lies against benefits claimants might have an effect on voter perceptions.

yeah, much of it either distortion or outright, brazen lies. If I'd my way dacre et al would be mining for a popular condiment often used on chips

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

when did he take the lords name in vain.

Everytime he cites his "Christian" faith as some kind of motivation for his sociopathy, the repuslive blaspheming shitfucker.

 

[DotCommunist]

Everytime he cites his "Christian" faith as some kind of motivation for his sociopathy, the repuslive blaspheming shitfucker.

oh I see, yes, well humility and compassion do also seem to be missing from his list of virtues as well