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The Attack On Working Tax Credits: Implentation & Propaganda.
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
you think people on benefits get more than some who work?
and you agree with that treelover? thought you were on their side!
I was laying out the popular perception, not my personal view.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Right...let's take a hypothetical.
You have a kid/kids, you work 16 hours, you get min wage.
16 hours times 52 weeks times £6.50 is £5408.
If you put £5100 on your renewal it will be picked up in 3 days. You'll get a letter asking for proof of your working hours and if the proof is not satisfactory you will owe back any wtc you have received. This is not limited to a year. Acceptable proof is your employer writing a letter saying they paid you less than the legal minimum.
Oh...self-employed people....the hours you claimed you were working better start matching that minimum wage calculation soon too. (£10140 for 30 hours)
You have a kid/kids, you work 16 hours, you get min wage.
16 hours times 52 weeks times £6.50 is £5408.
If you put £5100 on your renewal it will be picked up in 3 days. You'll get a letter asking for proof of your working hours and if the proof is not satisfactory you will owe back any wtc you have received. This is not limited to a year. Acceptable proof is your employer writing a letter saying they paid you less than the legal minimum.
Oh...self-employed people....the hours you claimed you were working better start matching that minimum wage calculation soon too. (£10140 for 30 hours)
Jackobi
swallows anything
you think people on benefits get more than some who work?
A lot of people believe that to be the case, such is the efficacy of Tory, anti-welfare rhetoric.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
It's not the rhetoric it's the comparison...it compares a family to a single person.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
plus losing things like free school meals.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
That's one of the reasons for the sanctions regime.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Yes. And for them lowering the benefits cap at the same time as they're cutting tax credits, because if they hadn't done that I genuinely would have been better off quitting my job and going on JSA. This is deliberate.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
It's a systemic requirement of capital that there be absolutely as much penury and misery at the bottom of the heap as politically feasible. The propaganda aids the feasibility.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly, yes
But this will bite them in the arse...sometime after people see what it does to their weekly budgets; most of them think the vermin are getting tough with "shirkers".
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Losing out as a result of this vote: me, single parent of three school age kids, working 28 hours a week, to the tune of £1400 a year. That's going to help, isn't it? A great incentive to find extra hours that I can't fucking do because I have children and no available childcare that won't cost me more than I earn by working more than 28 hours. Also losing out: my brother and sister-in-law, who work three jobs between them and are fostering three kids as well as their own two, one of whom is competing at top-level karate so they take him to training several times a week and up and down the country to fight and send him overseas to represent Scotland at competitions at considerable personal expense. They're going to lose almost £2k a year from April. Anyone who wants to say they should just work harder can come and fucking fight me.
stethoscope
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Corbyn's whips certainly fucked shit up. They can't even get their MPs to vote.FFS
Anybody else feel like its time to get on the streets and fuck shit up?!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, it comes to something when the oligarch press consider the class-war to be too obvious.This is from The Scum...
New analysis of the potential compensation provided by the new ‘National Living Wage’ for changes to the tax and benefit system - Institute For Fiscal Studies - IFS
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There was always going to be a split on their side on this.
On one hand the Tories were elected on the basis that they were committed to making £Billion savings to the welfare budget and this was a soft target in their terms. The introduction of the higher minimum rate was designed to outflank Labour and to make the point (correctly) that Tax should not be used to prop up low paying employers.
However, given that these cuts penalise workers it begins to unravel the narrative that the cuts agenda only impacts upon the feckless. It lays bare the inability of capital to provide a decent standard of living to those playing by the rules and as such poses questions that will be asked in workplaces and communities across the UK about the wider austerity agenda.
The nervousness displayed by the Sun article and other neo-liberal outriders is well placed.
On one hand the Tories were elected on the basis that they were committed to making £Billion savings to the welfare budget and this was a soft target in their terms. The introduction of the higher minimum rate was designed to outflank Labour and to make the point (correctly) that Tax should not be used to prop up low paying employers.
However, given that these cuts penalise workers it begins to unravel the narrative that the cuts agenda only impacts upon the feckless. It lays bare the inability of capital to provide a decent standard of living to those playing by the rules and as such poses questions that will be asked in workplaces and communities across the UK about the wider austerity agenda.
The nervousness displayed by the Sun article and other neo-liberal outriders is well placed.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
hmm, something in that perhaps. Reading your post I'm reminded of how calls against the workfare schemes came from unexpected r/w directions as it flagrantly undermines the whole rationale of fair days work fair days etc
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Very interesting The Scum has come out against this, wary I suppose of the fate of their own readers, generally of a class who tories utterly despise.
It thus begins to have the sniff of something that can be beaten, get a U turn out of Cokeboy and all the spin/gloss around him from the commentariat about what a fucking genius he is supposed to be could dissolve into nothing.
It thus begins to have the sniff of something that can be beaten, get a U turn out of Cokeboy and all the spin/gloss around him from the commentariat about what a fucking genius he is supposed to be could dissolve into nothing.
Question Time Audience Star Appears At Momentum Event
Shrewd move, John McDonnell invited and shared a platform with the Tory voter, Michelle Dorell who cried on QT about the impact of losing tax credits.
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Sasaferrato
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The press haven't really got going on McDonell yet. They will.
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