Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
If you are going to quote that, quote it all.
The Attack On Working Tax Credits: Implentation & Propaganda.
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superfly101
Well-Known Member
Well they are about to strike http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/news_and_e...ent.cfm/pcs-in-universal-credit-strike-ballot
Maybe ?
Some suspect that it's more to do with automation of the digital signing process under UC!
Basically you need a small office space for a digital signature reader and a remote back office can then check you're compliment via the persons Universal Job Match account.
Both involve front line job shedding - can't be losses as most are on a temp contract of a year or less.
Shame both fail the DPA, are non mandatory, nor can they be made mandatory to use (well UJM is but not to allow access)! Funny then that the DWP are being very coercive and pro-active in not informing job seekers of their rights implying but not really saying that failure to comply will lead to sanctions?
Maybe ?
Some suspect that it's more to do with automation of the digital signing process under UC!
Basically you need a small office space for a digital signature reader and a remote back office can then check you're compliment via the persons Universal Job Match account.
Both involve front line job shedding - can't be losses as most are on a temp contract of a year or less.
Shame both fail the DPA, are non mandatory, nor can they be made mandatory to use (well UJM is but not to allow access)! Funny then that the DWP are being very coercive and pro-active in not informing job seekers of their rights implying but not really saying that failure to comply will lead to sanctions?
BigTom
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I'd forgotten about what PCS did around sanctions targets tbf, and if PCS have got more on it in the past couple of years, that's great, when I was heavily involved with workfare stuff, PCS weren't giving guidance to members about what they could do to avoid sending people on MWA etc, so it's pleasing to hear that's changed. I know that there are motions to conference each year but I just can't see the union taking industrial action over sanctions or encouraging non-compliance amongst members.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
The 2 biggest Universal Credit offices in Boltio and Glasgow (I am a senior PCS branch official in the Glasgow ofice) are balloting. I wull be stunned if it isn't a YES vote.
This might be the wrong place, but I think it relevant to the topic as pertains to the imminent budget and presumed welfare cuts.
From the BBC:
Plans to scrap part of the UK's main sickness benefit are being considered, a leaked Whitehall paper suggests.
It describes the Employment and Support Allowance as a "passive" benefit which does not "incentivise" people to find a job, and proposes abolishing the work-related activity group (WRAG) category.
If scrapped, weekly payments would drop nearly £30 from £102.15, bringing it in line with Jobseeker's Allowance.
The Department for Work and Pensions said it did not comment on leaks.
The government is seeking to save £12bn from its welfare bill.
It is expected next week's Budget will unveil only some of its proposed cuts, with others to be announced in the autumn spending review.
Huffpost says:
Charlie Pickles of the think tank Reform says change to ESA is overdue. ‘We are just not seeing people come off the benefit....we are seeing very high numbers just staying on the benefit’.
Whether or not this is just rumourmongering based on 'blue sly' policy masturbation by arseholes is one thing. The attitudes displayed in these quotes is another matter entirely and completely in tune with how Osborne and the Tories now think. I am quite sure they do believe that ESA is, in their words, "passive". I find that deeply chilling: it suggests that those on it are just lazy and that the benefit (created by Labour of course) is keeping them that way. That their issues are not due to illness and that, again, disability is to be eradicated from the public consciousness.
This Charlie Pickles individual seems to thing that people should come off the benefit. She doesn't even consider that some people can't, or that recovery, where technically possible, is hampered by living in a fucking tory shithole human nightmare.
From the BBC:
Plans to scrap part of the UK's main sickness benefit are being considered, a leaked Whitehall paper suggests.
It describes the Employment and Support Allowance as a "passive" benefit which does not "incentivise" people to find a job, and proposes abolishing the work-related activity group (WRAG) category.
If scrapped, weekly payments would drop nearly £30 from £102.15, bringing it in line with Jobseeker's Allowance.
The Department for Work and Pensions said it did not comment on leaks.
The government is seeking to save £12bn from its welfare bill.
It is expected next week's Budget will unveil only some of its proposed cuts, with others to be announced in the autumn spending review.
Huffpost says:
Charlie Pickles of the think tank Reform says change to ESA is overdue. ‘We are just not seeing people come off the benefit....we are seeing very high numbers just staying on the benefit’.
Whether or not this is just rumourmongering based on 'blue sly' policy masturbation by arseholes is one thing. The attitudes displayed in these quotes is another matter entirely and completely in tune with how Osborne and the Tories now think. I am quite sure they do believe that ESA is, in their words, "passive". I find that deeply chilling: it suggests that those on it are just lazy and that the benefit (created by Labour of course) is keeping them that way. That their issues are not due to illness and that, again, disability is to be eradicated from the public consciousness.
This Charlie Pickles individual seems to thing that people should come off the benefit. She doesn't even consider that some people can't, or that recovery, where technically possible, is hampered by living in a fucking tory shithole human nightmare.
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Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
zxspectrum This Charlie Pickles is a woman but yeah she's a right cunt an'all. 
They have redefined the function of social security. Not in a positive way either. Her comments are part of IDS's Universal Crapit propaganda; how he thinks benefits should - bizarrely - incentivise people to work. In other words, that (other) people shouldn't have benefits because it makes them 'dependent'.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I would give a great deal for a chance to educate Dunked-in Shit otherwise.
Obviously, when I say "educate", I mean "indoctrinate through aversion therapy using fists and feet".
These fuckwads and arsewipes need to be violently beaten while having the principles behind National Insurance explained to them.
"Pooled risk, Dunked-in Shit" THUD!!!
"Insurance, Osborne. You pay a contribution so that you can claim when necessary, not so the Treasury can skim off money to cover up your appalling economic cock-ups". KER-SLAP!!!
C'mon! It'll be fun!
He loves all that shit though. Isn't he a fan of iron man endurance stuff?
The guy is a psycho bully and he has power over the most vulnerable. That's seriously fucked up.
The guy is a psycho bully and he has power over the most vulnerable. That's seriously fucked up.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
No, just us and Bolton. We've just recruited fixed termers too. Already been in recruiting them.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Just look at the cunt's army career. He was in the Scots Guards for six years, commissioned, he made it to Captain, in six fucking years. Look at the cunt's stint as vermin leader, "The Quiet Man", my arse. He was an unmitigated disaster, he is universally reviled in the Commons, Billy no mates. Everything he touches turns to shit, a sort of anti-Midas.
The cunt's a serial underachiever. He needs to pay for his crimes, really slowly.
Is he reviled? as far as I know, among the vermin, he's actual very popular and thosesmug right wing talking heads that constantly haunt the BBC refer to him add a hero if only for"daring" to take the"out of control"welfare bill.
Didn't change the fact he's a capital c cunt
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
He's "popular" because he's getting his hands dirty but on a personal level they all hate the cunt. He's also considered disposable but in a different way to that which I would consider him disposable.
Do they? I don't know. Maybe they do. I guess it doesn't really matter given that he has power and that's not going to change anytime soon, sadly.
Approval wise, he is very popular. People have been sold the idea that welfare is convoluted and profligate and that taxpayers hard earned groats are being directly hoovered from their pockets by people who do not deserve them.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
An elderly lady of my acquaintance - and the rest of her rural Conservative chums - think that the sun shines out of his arse. When I was made aware of just how much they hero-worshipped him, I was completely floored: someone I actually had some respect for could not just approve of, but almost worship, this cunt.
Needless to say, my respect has dropped somewhat. I daren't even tease her about it, because I'm really not ready to be hit out of left field by some other completely incomprehensible set of beliefs...!
I know exactly what you mean.
You can't reason with such people, with all due respect. We are ruled by ideology.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah, because taken out of context it makes Thatcher look like a bit of a dick.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
No, because to quote only those seven words as if they were a complete sentence, which they are not, is at best, lazy, at worst, dishonest.
Sort of like when Tories claim labour over spent?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
His captaincy pretty much came with his move to reserve status, so effectively he spent 6 years as a lt.
Sure, he was ADC to some honcho, but ADC was a job where you put bureaucrats, not good fighting men. Effectively, his captaincy was a leaving present.
...but painfully.
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wobbly
depends on the type of tory imo. some very like existentialist 's description. the ones that don't like him are more the tory - lite. and they think significant change to benefits was necessary, but they aren't hitting the right targets (the real scroungers know how to work the system, the people being hit are the genuinely vulnerable). the latter sort don't like him at all, and don't think the wealthy, out of touch public school to politics lot speak for them either.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Pretty shit career progression altogether then, they probably all hated the cunt there as well especially in the mess where I'd bet he never stood a round. Just to put things into some sort of perspective one of my sisters joined the TA early last year and has just been promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. IDS, you fucking slacker.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I have a cousin who made Major in 8 years (rare but not unheard-of) in an infantry regt. Hard work and support from NCOs and junior officers. I'm betting that the guardsmen under Dunked-in Shit wanted to put a round in his back the first time he led them on a patrol in N.I.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This link contains stuff both directly related, and possibly less so.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hout-libdems-likely-to-hit-welfare-state-hard
What strikes me as amongst the more horrific stuff, on first reading, relates to Housing Benefit / Rentier Handouts.
Housing benefit currently covers the full cost of the rent, but could be cut so all tenants have to pay at least 10% of the rent.
This would see a drop of income from JSA of at least 10%, JSA levels are already among the worst in the EU.
This will lead to more malnutrition and suicidal despair. Guaranteed. The scum will be delighted.
Note: Gideon Osborne has never wanted for a fucking thing.
Further, when considering cuts to already penury levels of benefit income, keep in mind that policy is for sale and that such payday loan vultures as cited in the link donate huge sums to party - a cesspit of corruption and general putrid dregs of morality.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...nder-runs-highcost-loans-company-8656356.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hout-libdems-likely-to-hit-welfare-state-hard
What strikes me as amongst the more horrific stuff, on first reading, relates to Housing Benefit / Rentier Handouts.
Housing benefit currently covers the full cost of the rent, but could be cut so all tenants have to pay at least 10% of the rent.
This would see a drop of income from JSA of at least 10%, JSA levels are already among the worst in the EU.
This will lead to more malnutrition and suicidal despair. Guaranteed. The scum will be delighted.
Note: Gideon Osborne has never wanted for a fucking thing.
Further, when considering cuts to already penury levels of benefit income, keep in mind that policy is for sale and that such payday loan vultures as cited in the link donate huge sums to party - a cesspit of corruption and general putrid dregs of morality.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...nder-runs-highcost-loans-company-8656356.html
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
As for the unspeakable shit at the centre of all this, people often overlook his awful novel writing and ceaseless sponging (£100,000s in "farming subsidies" from the EU he claims to dislike)
Highly telling is that John Major, no liberal or leftist himself, had him nailed as a bastard over 20 years ago. Ignoring the message since then is thus easy to read as celebratory.
They are the abslute fucking pits and we need to re-callibrate our approach because I believe it is beneath the nations dignity to tolerate such scumfuckery for another half decade.
Highly telling is that John Major, no liberal or leftist himself, had him nailed as a bastard over 20 years ago. Ignoring the message since then is thus easy to read as celebratory.
They are the abslute fucking pits and we need to re-callibrate our approach because I believe it is beneath the nations dignity to tolerate such scumfuckery for another half decade.
I don't see much of a solution unless the unions go all out.
The public won't do anything. There's actions planned for wednesday; mass 'die in' events being planned by the People's Assembly. I hate to decry any kind of activism but these will change nothing. They might raise awareness, but at 5pm on a hot wednesday afternoon when people jsut want to go home?
I wish I would be more positive about these events.
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