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Just watched the lbw the first time. I don't actually blame Wilson for that. How could he tell exactly what that was going on to do? Before DRS no way that was being given out. Tough shit aus. The referral the over before was truly awful.
 
As an aside looking back at the Headingly 81 scorecard, why was Botham so far down the batting order?
He batted at 7 behind six specialist batsmen. He'd also been dismissed for a pair in the previous match, which was his last as captain.

Just watched the lbw the first time. I don't actually blame Wilson for that. How could he tell exactly what that was going on to do? Before DRS no way that was being given out. Tough shit aus. The referral the over before was truly awful.
It's not the shocker many pundits made it out to be given how Stokes stretched forward. I was surprised Hawkeye didn't have it a lot closer to going over the top or missing leg stump. I think it's only natural not to stick the finger up at a moment like that if you're not entirely certain. Vaughan really irritated me saying he should have given it out because England could have reviewed it but Australia couldn't. That's not the umpires fault and it shouldn't colour his judgement.

I haven't found the wasted review on video yet, but all the radio commentators immediately called it as pitching outside leg stump and said it was desperate. The dropped catch on the boundary was barely a chance, but that missed run out ... oh dear!
 
It's not the shocker many pundits made it out to be given how Stokes stretched forward.
I'm an Australian supporter, and I didn't have any problem with Wilson giving "not out" in real time. Even though the video replay showed that it was out, it certainly wasn't immediately obvious in real time. I also agree that it's not the umpire's job to make a decision based on who does and doesn't have reviews left.
 
Where is that clown who 20 odd pages ago was lambasting the England batting line-up for reaching ‘lucky’ and ‘ugly’ tons.

You know who you are.
 
Morning! Wow, what a match!!!

Congrats to England and kudos to Stokes. As an aussie obviously I am disappointed, but for sure test cricket was the winner!

Can't wait for next test Spetember. Seems our bowlers lost their nerves, well the fielding side really as a whole. But no doubt it will be part of their learning curve.

Yesterday was Stokes day, and you got the feeling it was destined to be his, and England's day. Leach did his nerves well and England proud too! :)

Have a nice day all, and roll on the 4th test!!
 
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I haven't found the wasted review on video yet, but all the radio commentators immediately called it as pitching outside leg stump and said it was desperate.

It was when Cummins bowled to Leach with 8 runs needed. Clear on first viewing that it was pitching well outside leg stump and immediately called as such by radio and tv commentators (and anyone watching at home). Cummins' original appeal was muted and he shock his head at Paine immediately afterwards. Paine went ahead with the review anyway.

Payne is also the man who reviewed himself being given out the previous day. He thought he'd been given out lbw and was convinced he's nicked it. He had... onto his pads straight into Denly's hands. He's the worst DRS merchant since Monty Panesar.
 
Where is that clown who 20 odd pages ago was lambasting the England batting line-up for reaching ‘lucky’ and ‘ugly’ tons.

You know who you are.

Get your facts right. I called Burns for being lucky. Not "the England batting line up". Burns hasn't done an awful lot to disprove me and if you read back you'll find others coming to that view too. You think one heroic innings from Stokes mends that? You know nothing about cricket.

As for the LBW glad to see others expressing the view this wasn't one of Wilson's particular shockers. In real time it definitely looked going down leg. Certainly not hitting middle and leg. Makes you wonder about Hawk Eye.
 
I've just watched the highlights of Stokes' innings, there's some breathtaking shots in there.

And his face at the end :D
 
One more point on that non run out from Nathan Lyon. It was as bad as it gets, real schoolboy stuff. In particular because the Aussie fielder who threw the ball to him did everything right, assessing the situation perfectly right down to throwing the ball really gently to Lyon. Massive, massive fuck up on Lyon's part.
 
The failed run out, wrong lbw, dropped catch even though it was a hard one, all helped Oz to lose. But imho, in the post match roundup, they know that it should not have gone down to those reasons they lost, should've been sown up a while ago and not gone down to those inicidents.

As I said, kudos to Stokes and Leach for seeing England over the line, but the aussies need to look at themselves and their lack of killer instincts to have won the match. Hope they take it all as a learning curve and be a bit more clinical if the suitation arises again.

Though it does now make for an exciting 2 matches to go!! :)
 
There were actually two botched run outs during the Stokes/Leach partnership. The earlier one was a two to fine leg from Stokes. He was out of his ground at the keeper's end but the fielder (Hazlewood I think) threw to the bowler's end where Leach was home.
 
There were actually two botched run outs during the Stokes/Leach partnership. The earlier one was a two to fine leg from Stokes. He was out of his ground at the keeper's end but the fielder (Hazlewood I think) threw to the bowler's end where Leach was home.

Was being kind to the side and not rememberingt hat one . .... lol!!:)
 
But looking at the match as a whole. The first innings for Australia and you had that feeling we'd breeze it then we didn't even hit triple figures. Australia back to the crease and our hopes dashed again and then yesterday. Immense!
 
Amazing finish.:cool:

I think one thing about Stokes innings is it shows how those one day skills and approaches can actually enhance
test batting rather than hindering it, but only if the batsman has the ability to apply them at the right time. Some of those shots were straight from the one day game, but also the idea that you can look at 70 runs to go and think 'ok if I can protect the number 11 a bit this is doable in about ten overs or so'. He had to play a proper test innings to get to that point though, not just attack the first ball a la Jason Roy.
 
I have some sympathy for Roy for being asked to bat at the wrong place in the order but he hasn't done himself any favours with the way he's batted since being put there. He's been extensively panned on this thread. Jos Buttler, batting in his favourite position, has scored less runs than Roy in the series but barely gets a mention on the same thread. Funny that.
 
Just been listening to the last half hour of TMS. The noise from the crowd and the emotion from the commentators, when there was the run out that should have been they were all just screaming, is making me feel quite weepy.

What a day!
 
The one where he does a switch hit, falls over and still clears the boundary is unbelievable. Like some cricket god is just using him as a puppet.

I am, erm, a bit of a cricket bat, erm collector/connoisseur, and seeing the power he gets out of a realtively normal/thin stick, is a real testament to batmaking and his technique :cool: And really nullifies the years spent discussing bat shapes/sizes on cricket bat nerd forums :oops::rolleyes:

Amazing finish.:cool:

I think one thing about Stokes innings is it shows how those one day skills and approaches can actually enhance
test batting rather than hindering it, but only if the batsman has the ability to apply them at the right time. Some of those shots were straight from the one day game, but also the idea that you can look at 70 runs to go and think 'ok if I can protect the number 11 a bit this is doable in about ten overs or so'. He had to play a proper test innings to get to that point though, not just attack the first ball a la Jason Roy.

I think, aswell, what this really was, was one cricketer, FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY (appearing to)* react to external stimulus of the media/fans, and play an innings that recognised (and prioritised the fixing of) the fuckup of the first innings. All the years where the twats (KP, I'm looking at you here (much as I like him)) would proudly boast "Well, I'm not going to change my game..." and hit out when all we needed was a bit of a clear head.

(*I know that's all bollocks, and there was very little players can do in situations like the Mitchell Johnson series, or subcontinent grenade spinner tracks, but still...)

So, from the top, reasons why yesterday was so perfect...

-We bloody won!
-It was a record. Not some obscure 'Highest partnership by a 6th wicket stand at Old Trafford where both batters are left handed'. No. The biggest 4th wicket successful run chase in Englands test history (Not discounting kabbes putting high 4th wicket run chases in perspective...)
-It was propped by a huge 9th wicket stand - the drama!
-It keeps the rest of the summer alive - it saved the Ashes! (Lets not mention the rest, eh? The return of Piggy awaits...)
-Aus fucked up in the most spectacular ways - Lyon fumble, the reviews, just perfect :D
-We can legitimately love our team again after the 67!
-As a fan I can do this wildly imaginative storyline above that Stokes reacted to his (and the teams) first innings error
-Again, personal one here, but it still has Broads morning (on a strike day, so everyone was watching!) as the greatest (meaningful)! Ashes bowling demolition/batting capitulation of our generation

...Any more?!

God bless you Ben! The publishing of Aus papers this morning has really reignited the joy!
 
This or the WC innings? Which will live longest in the memory? It is this. It is more remarkable. It is test cricket. It is now immortal. :cool:

The sheer power and quality of hitting was better than the world cup final, where the kiwi bowlers to their immense credit gave Stokes very little that he could hit to the boundary.
 
Watched the non-LBW a couple of times now. It needed to spin quite a bit to straighten up and hit the stumps. Very hard to tell how much it had spun, if at all. Given that, the batsman is supposed to get the benefit of the doubt with LBW. I think the umpire made a good call, tbh, even though it would have been overturned. It's an instance where, assuming hawkeye was right, it was right on information that the naked eye would find very difficult to pick up - how much a ball that has only just pitched has actually spun (and bounced). Batsman had a good stride in, ball would have gone well down leg without spin, ump can't tell how much, if at all, it has spun. If he'd given it out, it would have been thanks to guesswork, which an ump is not supposed to use with LBW.
 
Morning! Wow, what a match!!!

Congrats to England and kudos to Stokes. As an aussie obviously I am disappointed, but for sure test cricket was the winner!

Can't wait for next test Spetember. Seems our bowlers lost their nerves, well the fielding side really as a whole. But no doubt it will be part of their learning curve.

Yesterday was Stokes day, and you got the feeling it was destined to be his, and England's day. Leach did his nerves well and England proud too! :)

Have a nice day all, and roll on the 4th test!!
Loses match. Gets cricket. Wins thread.
 
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