QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Mr. QofG's suggested a choose your champion type single combat contest beteeen Steve Smith and Jofra Archer as everyone else is pretty shit.
The Ashes 2019
- Thread starter Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Like the final over in the world cup?
Casual Observer
enough
Any friends of George Davis on here? If so, are you free at 3 am tomorrow?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Dropped catch, wicket off a no ball, Archer limping off with cramp. Labuschagne riding his luck here and getting ugly runs. Whatever could go wrong did go wrong, and there are still 40 minutes left. Lead of 300 by the close, with power to add. This is done. 
souljacker
innit
I think you spelt overs wrong. And 'massive loss'.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Cunts will still have the cheek to be charging £100 a ticket or thereabouts to watch this shower of shit against West Indies or Pakistan next year. I hope nobody goes.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He was innocent
Casual Observer
enough
My stream is now replaying the England victory over Aus in the World Cup semi-final. Yes, that'll salve the wounds.
George Davis was fitted up and imprisoned for a bank robbery he didn't commit. To draw attention to the injustice, his supporters daubed 'George Davis is innocent' on many a South London railway bridge as well vandalising the Headingley pitch overnight during the 1975 Ashes test. The wrongful conviction was officially acknowledged and he was released but was then imprisoned for further robberies (that he did commit) a year or two later.
George Davis was fitted up and imprisoned for a bank robbery he didn't commit. To draw attention to the injustice, his supporters daubed 'George Davis is innocent' on many a South London railway bridge as well vandalising the Headingley pitch overnight during the 1975 Ashes test. The wrongful conviction was officially acknowledged and he was released but was then imprisoned for further robberies (that he did commit) a year or two later.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
He never hurt no boday!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
lol at Paine knowing he'd nicked it and reviewing. Er...
baldrick
hmmmmm
I probably will. Hope springs eternal. It's a day of drinking in the sunshine if (when) it all goes horribly wrong.
Its £45 at Edgbaston next year against the Windies. That is through the Barmy Army supporters club, but does include coach travel.
baldrick
hmmmmm
I don't need coach travel, fortunately
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
souljacker
innit
There is only one way England can win this IMO and that's play a proper test innings. Slow, lots of singles, don't get out. I'd push Roy down the order a bit personally but there is no-one else who could face a new ball is there? Denly?
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Jason Roy only bats one way and it's not slow, but believe it or not, there is a recent example of him scoring a second innings century after his team were shot out for 67 in the first innings. The bad news is they still lost by 1 wicket:
Surrey v Essex - Cricket - BBC Sport
Denly was an opening batsman for most of his career. I find it very odd that he's now batting at 4 while Roy opens.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So, 359 to win. Third-day pitch. Sun out.
Maddening thing here is that Aus can't bat either. 420-odd over two innings is poor. England would have bitten your hand off for that after winning the toss.
Maddening thing here is that Aus can't bat either. 420-odd over two innings is poor. England would have bitten your hand off for that after winning the toss.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Roy can't bat at 4 either, though. He's a test match number 7.
Casual Observer
enough
Roy's performance is a selection problem, or more specifically a batting order problem, rather than a problem with Roy's attitude or ability. Stupid of Ed Smith to think it would would work (if he's behind it) given that even Surrey's own coach said it wouldn't work (and that was before he'd even played a test, not after 3.5 tests).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh I think it is both. Yes, the selection clearly hasn't worked and appears horribly ill-conceived. But also, Roy himself must have known that he was going to need to be able to judge what to leave. No good going into his shell, but also no good blasting from ball one when it's moving around. And, when he does get in, no good giving it away, which is what he has done both times he's got in. He's proven unable to adapt his game to the new situations, and I can't believe he didn't know that he needed to adapt his game - he's just not been able to.
Sadly, the final of the WC gave an early indication of this problem. He was all at sea against the moving ball then. And it's not like that was unnoticed - people on here commented on it and how it boded ill for any test ambitions. In that sense, this was a selection that defied all the available evidence. Sibley should have been in from the start.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Oh FFS, so could be another afternoon of listening to TMS in the sun face palming!
Casual Observer
enough
Yes, if he's all at sea against the new ball at the start of an innings then he shouldn't be put in a position where he has to play against the new ball at the start of the innings. Different types of batsmen play at different places in the order (or should do). If you can't fit Roy in a 4, 5 or 6 (preferably 5 or 6) then don't pick him at all.
If Roy failed as an opener for Surrey 6 years ago, then he's not going to succeed when asked to open in a domestic Ashes series, particularly if he's had no practise in the intervening years. More so in England where the ball moves around more than elsewhere. Actually, I think Roy opened once in those 6 years in a second innings run chase somewhere but you get the point.
As for Sibley, I'm guessing they didn't go there as he hasn't done much before this season. Beware of the one season wonder. Theoretically, that would have been the wiser gamble - both at the start of the series and now.
I usually push for Surrey players to be picked to play tests for England before they are (Foakes, Pope and Burns) but didn't for Roy (or either Curran for that matter). Pope and Sam Curran's time will come as should Roy's (further down the order).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, Jennings was picked on the back of just one outstanding season. It is a risk, I agree, but at least you're picking someone in form. Or you admit some others previously discarded might be a better bet - Lyth, Stoneman, Robson, any of them in anything like form? Stoneman at least showed fight. Lyth can catch. Scraping the barrel here.
Watching Roy's dismissal, that was a hell of a ball today. But that just goes to show - the bowler can always get you out, so don't get yourself out whatever you do.
Scraping the barrel here.Watching Roy's dismissal, that was a hell of a ball today. But that just goes to show - the bowler can always get you out, so don't get yourself out whatever you do.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I'm going to have to disagree. He's not a test match anything and has to go. Should have gone before this match.
