The all boxing thread

[tonysingh]

Is there definitely a rematch or is that Hearn talking money again? I'm guessing though that a rematch is a kind of standard thing in a title contest these days.

Almost certainly a rematch clause written into the pre fight contracts.

 

[DexterTCN]

If AJ comes back and schools Ruiz xthrn dis the same to Wilder and Fury.....thats the making of him, if that makes sense?

Yeah...but he's 3rd favourite out of them now.

That Wilder is seriously dangerous, he'd knock Joshua the fuck out is my current guess. And Fury would beat him too.

 

[tonysingh]

Yeah...but he's 3rd favourite out of them now.

That Wilder is seriously dangerous, he'd knock Joshua the fuck out is my current guess. And Fury would beat him too.

Meh.

I think a whole lot of Wilders opponents have been cherry picked, you know? Obviously he can only beat who's put in front of him and his knockout ratio is spectacular but he's been made to look ordinary by Fury. Coincidentally, out of that AJ/Wilder/Fury triumvirate, I'd pick for Fury. I think he has the beating of the other 2.

Im as guilty of this on this thread as anyone but I do think the whole fuss over AJ getting beat has taken attention away from a marvelous win for Callum Smith. Meant to set up a fight with Alvarez but I can easily see the latter dodging the fight somehow.

 

[DexterTCN]

...Coincidentally, out of that AJ/Wilder/Fury triumvirate, I'd pick for Fury. I think he has the beating of the other 2...

Yeah, me too.

 

[tonysingh]

More to come from Dillan Whyte too I think.

 

[Wilf]

Wonder if Joshua will go down the usual route of sacking his trainer (maybe not, he's pretty loyal to McCracken)? He does look like he needs rebuilding though, possibly losing a bit of bulk. He's not the kind of fighter who could become fluid and unorthodox, but he needs something different. Wasn't just Ruiz, Whyte and a few others would have walked through him on Saturday. Suspect Usyk would have bamboozled him as well.

 

[Wilf]

It's actually a great time for heavyweight boxing, despite all the shit from promoters and networks getting in the way of the fights people want. I think I'm on team Dillian Whyte now as he seems to have lost out the most in all the bullshit. Pity that Usyk is out for a few months too. Don't know he will cope against some of the giants, but he might turn out to be the best actual boxer of the lot.

 

[Rosemary Jest]

I agree. And Uzyk will be fine, he's 6"2, the same height as Ruiz and look how he got on.

He's a great boxer to watch.

 

[GarveyLives]

For those who have not seen this - it was dramatic to listen to live ... and possibly even more dramatic to watch what you were listening to:

One of the great rounds in history! Watch Costello's brilliant commentary

 

[weltweit]

Costello was using about as much effort as the boxers in the ring great commentary

 

[GarveyLives]

Detailed martial arts-based technical analysis of Joshua v Ruiz Jr:

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[Steel Icarus]

Detailed martial arts-based technical analysis of Joshua v Ruiz Jr:

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Fascinating stuff, thanks for posting!

 

[weltweit]

For anyone like me who couldn't see the fight on the night

 

[Wilf]

He really did look off in that ring walk. Tense, to say the least, certainly not up for it. I'd go as far as saying he looked frightened, but whatever it was his team shouldn't have had him anywhere near a boxing ring that night.

 

[Rosemary Jest]

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash, there's talk of concussion from being floored in sparring, not having the hunger any more, too much pressure to perform, panic attacks, lack of preparation, underestimating the opponent, believing Eddie Hearn's worm tongue hype, plain old bad performance, who can tell? Or maybe a sore toe?

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he's rarely looked that convincing in any of his recent fights since Wlad, and he was even floored and hurt in that. Maybe he's just not that great a boxer and was finally met with a challenger who was not over the hill, with the belief they could win, and the skills to do it.

The Parker fight was a stinker because the ref didn't allow any inside boxing in my opinion. As soon as Parker got in close and looked a threat to Joshua, the ref split them and didn't allow him to get in close for the rest of the fight, which played to Joshua's strength of jabbing from a distance against a smaller fighter.

He was protected in that fight either through circumstance or intention, but reckon the Parker fight could have gone a different way had a brawl been allowed.

Takam was a washed up replacement, and Povetkin is elderly. Ruiz was all wrong for him, a skilled, tough, fearless brawler who has just come off a win against a fighter of similar size to AJ just five weeks previous, fighting on home turf.

Joshua did look off that night, but I reckon he just expected an easy win against a smaller fat man, as it was part of the script. When Ruiz came to fight, and was allowed to, it shook AJ and whatever his game plan was went straight out the window. My 2p worth anyway.

 

[weltweit]

Worth mentioning I think that while Ruiz only had a short time to prepare for Joshua, Joshua also only had a short time to prepare for Ruiz. And perhaps his camp didn't take Ruiz seriously enough.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I've now seen the Fury fight and yes, he wasn't up against top-class opposition, but fuck me did he look great.

 

[Rosemary Jest]

I've now seen the Fury fight and yes, he wasn't up against top-class opposition, but fuck me did he look great.

You couldn't imagine Ruiz giving him much trouble, could you?

 

[Steel Icarus]

You couldn't imagine Ruiz giving him much trouble, could you?

No. He'd be too smart. Jab in the face all the time, tie him up when he got close.

 

[Wilf]

Hard to judge with the poor quality of the opposition, but Fury looked as good in this and the Wilder fight as at any point in his career. Avoiding that flurry of punches on the ropes was astonishing.

 

[GarveyLives]

"I've now seen the Fury fight and yes, he wasn't up against top-class opposition, but f*ck me did he look great."

"Hard to judge with the poor quality of the opposition, but Fury looked as good in this and the Wilder fight as at any point in his career."

Naturally, not everyone is as impressed:

"Dillian Whyte insists Tyson Fury should be ashamed of himself after crushing Tom Schwarz in a mismatch in Las Vegas ..."

Dillian Whyte slams Tyson Fury for shameful clash against Tom Schwarz

Here is some pre-fight of Fury's opponent, Tom Schwarz:

Who Is Was Tom Schwarz?​

 

[tonysingh]

I like Dillian Whyte, much more to come from him I think.

 

[GarveyLives]

"I like Dillian Whyte, much more to come from him I think."

The trash talk continues as the backdrop to a potential 'domestic' clash at World level:

Tyson Fury: Dillian Whyte Is A Sh*thouse - No Guts, A Coward

Whyte to Fury: Sick And Tired of All This Talking, Come Find Me!

 

[tonysingh]

The trash talk continues as the backdrop to a potential 'domestic' clash at World level:

Tyson Fury: Dillian Whyte Is A Sh*thouse - No Guts, A Coward

Whyte to Fury: Sick And Tired of All This Talking, Come Find Me!

Yeah, with Whyte I don't think it's trash talking in the traditional sense, he really does mean it. Fury is a master of it, the whole pantomime thing. I'd love to see Fury V Whyte, I think Dillian maybe has the beating of him.

 

[bellaozzydog]

Yeah, with Whyte I don't think it's trash talking in the traditional sense, he really does mean it. Fury is a master of it, the whole pantomime thing. I'd love to see Fury V Whyte, I think Dillian maybe has the beating of him.

I genuinely can’t see it. Fury just seems to be growing in style, confidence and sharpness. The oft used term Boxing IQ will be in play and fuck Fury can cleverly box

 

[tonysingh]

I genuinely can’t see it. Fury just seems to be growing in style, confidence and sharpness. The oft used term Boxing IQ will be in play and fuck Fury can cleverly box

I'm massively biased in favour of Whyte anyway so maybe not as objective as I could be but I don't think the boxing media or the wider boxing world for that matter give him the credit he deserves.

 

[Wilf]

Usyk vs Fury would be very interesting/intriguing. Styles make fights and all that. At the moment nobody seems able to deal with Fury's twitches, feints and movement.

 

[Rosemary Jest]

I don't mind Dillian, but he's a brawler, not a great boxer. Fury would run rings around him.

Uzyk is a bit of a wild card in the heavyweights, would love to see a match up with one of the top boys.

 

[Wilf]

Wiki says Usyk and Takam back on in Sptember. I doubt it will be as straightforward as they say in terms of meeting the winner of Ruiz/Joshua.

The Two will reschedule for a date in September to be featured on DAZN. Usyk will be next in line for the winner of the rematch between Andy Ruiz VS Anthony Joshua

 

[GarveyLives]

Any risk of losing focus? Or just raising public profile ahead of bigger things?

Dillian Whyte takes on ex-boxing promoter Kellie Maloney ... on Masterchef