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[tonysingh]

Thinking about Deontay Wilder... His statements this past few weeks about wanting a body on his record etc and his whole persona in the media...its coming off like he's desperatly trying to be the next Mike Tyson. Without wanting to sound like a barber in an Eddie Murphy film, Wilder ain't fit to lace Mike Tysons gloves. A number of heavyweights from that era, plus a few later ones, most notably imho Lennox Lewis, would have made mincemeat of anyone in the current heavyweight division.

 

[Wilf]

Thinking about Deontay Wilder... His statements this past few weeks about wanting a body on his record etc and his whole persona in the media...its coming off like he's desperatly trying to be the next Mike Tyson. Without wanting to sound like a barber in an Eddie Murphy film, Wilder ain't fit to lace Mike Tysons gloves. A number of heavyweights from that era, plus a few later ones, most notably imho Lennox Lewis, would have made mincemeat of anyone in the current heavyweight division.

Strange thing, Wilder seems like a decent bloke when he's away from the trash talking.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Strange thing, Wilder seems like a decent bloke when he's away from the trash talking.

On the always-excellent 5 Live Boxing Podcast with Costello and Bunce they talked about this very subject and neither liked the Wilder they spoke to in fight weeks. They speculated he feels it necessary to get in the fighting mindset, whether to conquer nerves or get into a place where he can go out and leather his opponent.

 

[not-bono-ever]

think AJ may get a shock with Ruiz.

 

[weltweit]

Thinking about Deontay Wilder... His statements this past few weeks about wanting a body on his record etc and his whole persona in the media...its coming off like he's desperatly trying to be the next Mike Tyson. Without wanting to sound like a barber in an Eddie Murphy film, Wilder ain't fit to lace Mike Tysons gloves. A number of heavyweights from that era, plus a few later ones, most notably imho Lennox Lewis, would have made mincemeat of anyone in the current heavyweight division.

I don't get to watch much boxing these days, but no one has been as exciting as Mike Tyson as far as I am aware, since his era. Tyson was dynamite.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I don't get to watch much boxing these days, but no one has been as exciting as Mike Tyson as far as I am aware, since his era. Tyson was dynamite.

There's a lot more to boxing than the heavyweight division

 

[Rosemary Jest]

think AJ may get a shock with Ruiz.

I sure hope so, but can't see it happening. Ruiz is the better boxer, but AJ is just better physically. His height, size, fitness will win on the night.

I'd love an upset though, Eddie Hearn to be shut up, and Joshua too. AJ seems like a nice enough lad, but the vacuum of shite he spouts when he talks is almost unbearable.

If an upset happened, it would shake up the heavyweight division and would get the top lads challenging for the titles again.

Rooting for Ruiz.

 

[tonysingh]

Well....AJ fucked that up a bit eh? if he doesn't utterly destroy Ruiz in the rematch then he's basically finished. What a marvelous result for Ruiz though. Parachuted in against a big name and dies the business, proper earned that title win. This wasn't a Buster Douglas moment not by any means. Been seeing the media call it a shock and all that which I think totally takes away from Ruiz achievement.

 

[Rosemary Jest]

Not watched it yet but had a tenner on Ruiz and got a decent return at 14/1.

I suspected this would happen and I'm glad in many ways, I'm not a fan of the AJ hype train and can't stand Eddie Hearn's bullshit, so it might bring Joshua back down to earth.

It's a bit like Rocky 3 when Rock rests on his laurels and becomes a paper champion.

But what it also means is the Fury Wilder rematch, the Joshua Ruiz rematch, and a potential superfight next year.

In reality however, we'll likely see King King Ortiz beat Wilder and then the whole thing will change again.

 

[donkyboy]

After what Wilder did to Brazil, dont think AJ "wants that smoke" as they say in the hood.

I was right. Well done, DB.

 

[donkyboy]

Fanks

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hopefully this will knock a wheel or two off Joshua's campaign to slap his fucking face on every product under the sun.

 

[Ponyutd]

I rather suspect he'll have an opponent found for him, he'll knock him out and we'll all promptly forget the fight.

 

[tonysingh]

Yes.

Well.

 

[tonysingh]

I can't figure out how to link it in to here properly but I found Furys and Wilders post fight comments interesting, given both have been contemptuous of Joshua previous. Fury being magnanimous and conciliatory whilst Wilder? Not so much. Marvelous PR exercise by both camps there I reckon.

 

[weltweit]

Well that is a surprise.

Anthony Joshua sensationally beaten by Andy Ruiz Jr at Madison Square Garden

 

[weltweit]

What was it that Tyson said: Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth

 

[not-bono-ever]

told ya. I took 12-1 on this.

 

[donkyboy]

I can't figure out how to link it in to here properly but I found Furys and Wilders post fight comments interesting, given both have been contemptuous of Joshua previous. Fury being magnanimous and conciliatory whilst Wilder? Not so much. Marvelous PR exercise by both camps there I reckon.

It's not PR. Fury has always swung from praise to out right cursing Joshua. It's nothing new.

 

[GarveyLives]

Post-fight reaction:

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[Wilf]

I had a feeling about this fight. Can't say it was built on any kind of boxing analysis about styles and the rest, I don't know enough about that. It was just the number of times Joshua was doing media work, tours of his training place, talking about Wilder etc. Felt like he'd gone to America to build a brand, not have a fight.

 

[bellaozzydog]

think AJ may get a shock with Ruiz.

Prediction of the decade

 

[DexterTCN]

I watched this today, strange fight.

I didn't take notes but it was kinda like this...

In the 3rd round, Joshua got knocked out. Joshua's body didn't agree with this and decided to keep going until informed otherwise through proper channels.

In the break between the 5th and 6th round Joshua's brain comes back for a bit, he asks his corner what he got hit with in the 3rd. The corner looks at each other and decides that more vaseline on the face is probably the best course of action. Brain goes away again.

In the 7th Joshua gets re-knocked out. The ref gives him a count and asks him if he's ok to fight on. Absolutely, says the body, waving its arms. His body then sees a squirrel and decides to turn away and go look at it. The ref shouts at him that the fight is in the other direction. "ARE YOU OK TO FIGHT?" the ref asks. The body uses sign language to respond that it doesn't get involved in policy decisions...and btw did you see a squirrel a minute ago?

Fight ends.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I watched this today, strange fight.

I didn't take notes but it was kinda like this...

In the 3rd round, Joshua got knocked out. Joshua's body didn't agree with this and decided to keep going until informed otherwise through proper channels.

In the break between the 5th and 6th round Joshua's brain comes back for a bit, he asks his corner what he got hit with in the 3rd. The corner looks at each other and decides that more vaseline on the face is probably the best course of action. Brain goes away again.

In the 7th Joshua gets re-knocked out. The ref gives him a count and asks him if he's ok to fight on. Absolutely, says the body, waving its arms. His body then sees a squirrel and decides to turn away and go look at it. The ref shouts at him that the fight is in the other direction. "ARE YOU OK TO FIGHT?" the ref asks. The body uses sign language to respond that it doesn't get involved in policy decisions...and btw did you see a squirrel a minute ago?

Fight ends.

 

[tonysingh]

I'm getting so irate at the armchair experts today. Slating Ruiz for his physique etc, saying he's never been in the gym etc.

 

[DexterTCN]

I'm getting so irate at the armchair experts today. Slating Ruiz for his physique etc, saying he's never been in the gym etc.

I'm guessing he's not too bothered.

 

[tonysingh]

I'm guessing he's not too bothered.

Well yes, quite. It's just it's like them people who watch football only when the world cup is around and then give it like they're Sepp Herberger.

 

[DexterTCN]

Well yes, quite. It's just it's like them people who watch football only when the world cup is around and then give it like they're Sepp Herberger.

Well yeah...but 99.99% of the time they'd be right. The chances of Ruiz winning were like the chances of an invasion from Mars.

On the cynical side, Joshua has a safe rematch in 6 months and that fucks up the timetables of Wilder and Fury.

 

[tonysingh]

Well yeah...but 99.99% of the time they'd be right. The chances of Ruiz winning were like the chances of an invasion from Mars.

On the cynical side, Joshua has a safe rematch in 6 months and that fucks up the timetables of Wilder and Fury.

If AJ comes back and schools Ruiz xthrn dis the same to Wilder and Fury.....thats the making of him, if that makes sense?

 

[twistedAM]

Well yeah...but 99.99% of the time they'd be right. The chances of Ruiz winning were like the chances of an invasion from Mars.

On the cynical side, Joshua has a safe rematch in 6 months and that fucks up the timetables of Wilder and Fury.

Is there definitely a rematch or is that Hearn talking money again? I'm guessing though that a rematch is a kind of standard thing in a title contest these days.