The 7/7 Report

[editor]

You have got to ask : Do they care?

What? You think they should jump to attention when some piddling little non-entity of a fruitloop-inhabited website sends them a load of twisted, agenda-laden, bonkers bullshit?

I'd say you've already got more response than your woeful, evidence-free 'question' deserved.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Well... Since they have the DNA evidence at the explosion sites then I shouldn't really think they care...

Prole, tell me how the bombers DNA and their personal effects got to the scene of the explosions...? I've mentioned it before and you haven't answered...

I'll answer for the conspiraloons...

Maybe the pixies/MI5/lizards/zionists/CIA/illuminati/uncle tom cobley and all etc put it there as a method of hiding 'the truth'

 

[Badger Kitten]

The other boards Prole posts on are ''[The British 9/11 Truth board'' and ''Team8plus'' and Alex cox forums.

all conspiraloon sites.


K**** M********n, from Perth, Scotland is the Conspiracy theorist who has been in contact with Hussein the bus bomber's dad, as far as I know from scanning the 9/11 boards on which Prole posts. He also paid for a page 'RELEASE THE EVIDENCE'' ad in the Independent.


The thing that bothers me about C-T-ers, is that the nonsense they peddle is seized upon by the angry, the alienated, the mistrustful and fuels the flames whereby the police are the enemy and Muslims are being oppressed by a global conspiracy, and young men plotting murder and mayhem must be turned a blind eye to, and fuels the sense of victimhood that the 4 7/7 bombers had in spades.

Thus, they are part of the problem. How is it helpful to spread denial and mistrust and anger and a sense of paraniod persecution?

And yes, I have checked; went and looked at several Muslim siuites especially in the North of the UK. Conpsracy theories are rife. The 77 bombers were into 9/11 Conspiracy theories.

Many young Muslims posting were dismissive of them, but an equally large large number, it seemed, were interested and some were fervent and angry and...

... I just feel desperately sad about all this, and worried. It's fucking with people's minds. Conspiracy theories can help to provide a febrile atmosphere in which extremism can flourish. Add in the most important factor, action-heavy, theology-lite perversion of Islam jihadi wahhabbism, susceptability, a charismatic leaders, despair, atrocity videos ... and , in some cases... Bang.

Fuck it Prole. Not only is this damaging to sane calls for an independent inquiry, as called for by many injured and bereaved (and Muslims) , and which would offer a chance to learning and healing, but it is dangerous full stop. . You blind, foolish woman, making mischief with your friends.

And that is why I will fight your lies every step of the way. Because I will do whatever I can to stop more suicide bombings and more people being killed.

 

[jæd]

I'll answer for the conspiraloons...

Maybe the pixies/MI5/lizards/zionists/CIA/illuminati/uncle tom cobley and all etc put it there as a method of hiding 'the truth'

I'd like to see Prole's reply, personally. That way it can be debunked point by point just like every other of her theories...

 

[jæd]

Fuck it Prole. Not only is this damaging to sane calls for an independent inquiry, as called for by many injured and bereaved (and Muslims) , and which would offer a chance to learning and healing, but it is dangerous full stop. . You blind, foolish woman, making mischief with your friends.

And that is why I will fight your lies every step of the way. Because I will do whatever I can to stop more suicide bombings and more people being killed.

Exactly... This is why I've started trying to debunk each and every of Prole's points...

If I ever get any time for it, I'm seriously thinking of putting a debunking website together to try counter these terrorists. (Because lets face it, thats what Prole and her ilk really are)

 

[TAE]

... these terrorists. (Because lets face it, thats what Prole and her ilk really are)

What are you saying? Let's lock up people who have views we don't agree with and can't understand?

By all means make a website debunking what can be debunked, but calling them terrorists? That's going down a very dodgy path IMO.

 

[jæd]

What are you saying? Let's lock up people who have views we don't agree with and can't understand?

By all means make a website debunking what can be debunked, but calling them terrorists? That's going down a very dodgy path IMO.

Well... If they are putting words into suicide bombers bombers then its time to start taking them seriously. If you start spouting racist shite then you'll be called a racist. Start spouting rubbish which is then used by a terrorist then you'd better be prepared to follow them to the cells.

Still happy that the "Independent Researcher" name and address is so easily visible, Prole...? First they'll come for him. And then they'll come for you and the rest of your band...!

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm seriously thinking of putting a debunking website together to try counter these terrorists. (Because lets face it, thats what Prole and her ilk really are)

Bollocks, they're just deluded obsessives. If you don't like them, just ignore them.

 

[kyser_soze]

A fully Independent Public Inquiry that wan't held under the terms of the flawed Inquiries Act 2005 which allowed all aspects of the evidence into what who why how etc. I don't start with any preconceived notions on whether or not I would support it's findings, I would support it's findings if the Inquiry was open and honest and heard and was shown all the evidence.

In the meantime I support the demand to Release the Evidence.

That's a non-answer - all you've tried to do is redefine the question and make it about the make up of a public enquiry.

What I asked was, would you accept the findings of an independent enquiry if the results still came out the same, or would you reject it as not having been 'open and honest' enough for you?

IMO unless it came out saying 'Yes the govt were responsible, they did it all' you would never accept it's findings.

Now, can I have a proper answer - would you support the findings of an open and honest enquiry if it finished with the same conclusion?

 

[sparticus]

The 77 bombers were into 9/11 Conspiracy theories.

How is this known?

 

[Prole]

That's a non-answer - all you've tried to do is redefine the question and make it about the make up of a public enquiry.

What I asked was, would you accept the findings of an independent enquiry if the results still came out the same, or would you reject it as not having been 'open and honest' enough for you?

IMO unless it came out saying 'Yes the govt were responsible, they did it all' you would never accept it's findings.

Now, can I have a proper answer - would you support the findings of an open and honest enquiry if it finished with the same conclusion?

You may not like the answer I gave, but it is the answer I gave, so you will have to accept it. I don't start from a preconceived position, preferring to respond to events as they happen. If these young men are guilty and the evidence is produced which proves their guilt 'beyond reasonable doubt' , then they are guilty.

It is the lack of judicial or public process that I and many object to. It is trial by media and supposition and a deeply flawed official account that has, to date, been allowed to replace due process. I find that deeply disturbing. I cannot accept that anyone's guilt, for whatever crime, can be based on gross inaccuracies such as train times, and one cctv image taken miles from the scene.

The implications and consequences of not having a correct and factual account and analysis of the atrocities committed on 7th July are too grave and too dark for each and everyone of us to be allowed to be based on anything that is less than certain.

All I ask is Release the Evidence to back up the official account.

 

[Prole]

The 77 bombers were into 9/11 Conspiracy theories.

How is this known?

p.19 of the offical account states:

41. As yet little material has been found directly from the others expressing their motivation. There is some evidence that Tanweer was motivated particularly by a desire for martyrdom. As described earlier, there are reports of Hussain and Lindsay expressing extreme views at school. Conspiracy theories also abounded, at least some of the bombers seem to have expressed the view that the 9/11 attacks were a plot by the US.

Which is where I suppose BK can make the link between conspiracy theorists = terrorists.

Personally, I would have thought it meant the complete opposite.

 

[editor]

How is this known?

Ever thought about doing a bit of basic research yourself on your pet subject, or is that - as usual - too much to ask of a self-declared 'truth seeker'?

 

[kyser_soze]

All I ask is Release the Evidence to back up the official account.

And if it does? What will you do then? Shut up or simply go on saying there must be *more*

 

[editor]

Which is where I suppose BK can make the link between conspiracy theorists = terrorists.

Personally, I would have thought it meant the complete opposite.

The claim that the 9/11 attacks were a plot by the US is a conspiracy theory, you clueless clot.

 

[Prole]

The claim that the 9/11 attacks were a plot by the US is a conspiracy theory, you clueless clot.

Thus spake the Editor therefore it must be true.

 

[jæd]

Have you or haven't you...! Please get *your* version of things correct at least...!

Prole... Can you give a consistent answer... Have you or haven't you forwarded your "evidence" to the authorities...? (Second time of asking)

 

[jæd]

Well... Since they have the DNA evidence at the explosion sites then I shouldn't really think they care...

Prole, tell me how the bombers DNA and their personal effects got to the scene of the explosions...? I've mentioned it before and you haven't answered...

Prole... Please answer this question. This is the second time I've asked you...

 

[Prole]

Prole... Can you give a consistent answer... Have you or haven't you forwarded your "evidence" to the authorities...? (Second time of asking)

Jaed after the last couple of postings from you where you accused me of being a terrorist and how I should 'follow them to the cells', I hardly think you're in a position to demand I answer your questions.

I won't engage with you or answer your questions.

 

[jæd]

Jaed after the last couple of postings from you where you accused me of being a terrorist and how I should 'follow them to the cells', I hardly think you're in a position to demand I answer your questions.

I won't engage with you or answer your questions.

Very well... If you will not take responsibility for your posts, I shall post the following after every one of your posts:

"Prole refuses to give any evidence for her theories. In the past she has been shown to be a liar and willfully deceitful. There so far haven't been any of posts that have been shown to be accurate or truthful... Don't bother with any of her posts she is a known conspiraloon-troll...!"

 

[squeegee]

Very well... If you will not take responsibility for your posts, I shall post the following after every one of your posts:

"Prole refuses to give any evidence for her theories. In the past she has been shown to be a liar and willfully deceitful. There so far haven't been any of posts that have been shown to be accurate or truthful... Don't bother with any of her posts she is a known conspiraloon-troll...!"

Just how childishly baiting can some people be? She has been shown to be a liar? By who? By you? Well that's stone cold evidence of course.

How old are you Jaed? I think you're old enough to put away childish things and stop making false accusations. If Prole hasn't got any proof that will satisfy you then just say that.

Why all the provocation? There is no excuse. It's nasty and undignified. Are you really on the side of peace? No? Well join up with your Bush and Blair buddies then, cos you're doing a fine job of imitating them.

 

[jæd]

How old are you Jaed? I think you're old enough to put away childish things and stop making false accusations.

These aren't "false accusations", Prole has been shown to be a liar several times. For example, she first said she visited other forums and was accpeted there. Then she said she didn't and she only posted on that July 7 forum. And now we find out (via BK) she posts on another conspiracy forum.

She also misled people who her "Independent Researcher" was, eventually admitting that it was just an "ordinary bod like you and me".

If Prole hasn't got any proof that will satisfy you then just say that.

She doesn't have any proof at all...! She hasn't posted any, even though we've all been very patient with her, asking her many times to clarify her "proof"...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

blah blah blah.

How is it that on this post here you wrote that "this conversation is over" and at this post here you wrote that "no matter what inane drivel you spout this WILL be the last post from me on this thread" and yet.....you're still here spouting spurious shite?????

I demand a public enquiry to ascertain the true facts as to why you are quite clearly a secret double dealing under the covers factoid hunting desperately seeking the truth (or susan) duplicitous character, who does not have the conviction to follow through on his/her/they/its convictions.

Or maybe you could just fuck off as promised, eh?

 

[sparticus]

Ever thought about doing a bit of basic research yourself on your pet subject, or is that - as usual - too much to ask of a self-declared 'truth seeker'?

God you're a small minded snide winker aren't you?

I've read the 7/7 narrative

One sentence in a deeply flawed narrative based on unattributable opinions written by some nameless civil servant doesn't count as evidence in my book. Some of them seem to have... please

 

[jæd]

Why all the provocation? There is no excuse. It's nasty and undignified. Are you really on the side of peace? No? Well join up with your Bush and Blair buddies then, cos you're doing a fine job of imitating them.

All Prole has to do to stop this is admit she has no proof of anything, admit her lies and stop posting inane bullshit theories to the internet. Go and read BKs post on why they are damaging...!

 

[editor]

Just how childishly baiting can some people be? She has been shown to be a liar? By who?

By me, actually. See her claims about the "independently verified emails" for more info. And then there's her barking lie that I'm supposedly "threatened" by her.

And then there's this entire thread revealing her endless squirming, twisting and running away from presenting the truth when asked.

I'd say she's more stupid than a wilful liar though (see: the independently verified emails-a-thon again)

 

[editor]

How is it that on this post here you wrote that "this conversation is over" and at this post here you wrote that "no matter what inane drivel you spout this WILL be the last post from me on this thread" and yet.....you're still here spouting spurious shite?????

Simple. It's because he's another conspira-liar.

 

[Prole]

By me, actually. See her claims about the "independently verified emails" for more info. And then there's her barking lie that I'm supposedly "threatened" by her.

And then there's this entire thread revealing her endless squirming, twisting and running away from presenting the truth when asked.

I'd say she's more stupid than a wilful liar though (see: the independently verified emails-a-thon again)

Hey Ed they have been independently verified, it's just I refused to post names here or send it to you.

Us Proles just won't do what we're told uh? Therefore I must be a liar.

Bigfish got this treatment and I notice hasn't been back, I refuse to be bullied and you don't like it.

Never mind that the offical report has a lie about 4 men on a train that didn'r run or an image of the 4, 3 of which are unidentifiable as anyone let alone the men we are told they are. Never mind about that, that isn't the point of this thread, no. It is far more important to you to try and make me out be a liar (which I am not, I know it and that's all that matters).

From kangaroo court to lynch mob methinks.

 

[Jazzz]

Exactly... This is why I've started trying to debunk each and every of Prole's points...

If I ever get any time for it, I'm seriously thinking of putting a debunking website together to try counter these terrorists. (Because lets face it, thats what Prole and her ilk really are)

This is exactly how dissidents in pre-war nazi Germany got treated.

An outrageous thing to say, take it back jaed.

 

[jæd]

This is exactly how dissidents in pre-war nazi Germany got treated.

An outrageous thing to say, take it back jaed.

What...? They posted up crap on the the Nazis Internet, and then had howwible people exposing the lies on other pre-war websites...?