The 7/7 Report

[jæd]

As in the Piccadilly Line train was 311, verified by BK the train driver and the station manager before it changed to 331 with no explananation. Something that I am still attempting to clarify.

That's an independent, third party website you're not affliated to...?

 

[Prole]

That's an independent, third party website you're not affliated to...?

Sorry it's my research site posting into the number of the trains. As I am constantly accused of not having done any research... feel free to delete. (Should I cut and paste it instead?)

 

[jæd]

Sorry it's my research site posting into the number of the trains. As I am constantly accused of not having done any research... feel free to delete. (Should I cut and paste it instead?)

There aren't any hedgehogs in it... Why is this...?

 

[nino_savatte]

Perhaps this article on the early signs of fascism might interest you. It analyses what the early signs of a new form of fascism are, a global fascism with US hegemony.

Afraid not, that's more scaremonegering. The nationalism and glorification of he military are still absent. Also, where is the evidence that British society has become more militarised?

You must try harder next time.

 

[editor]

We really don't need any more traffic thanks.

Is this another of your lies?

 

[Prole]

Afraid not, that's more scaremonegering. The nationalism and glorification of he military are still absent. Also, where is the evidence that British society has become more militarised?

You must try harder next time.

mmm......remember the arming of the police debate. The new shoot to kill to protect policy? Should the police be allowed to use Tassers? 28 day lock-up. etc etc etc All in the wake of 7th July methinks? 'Tis a slide, how fast the ride is we don't know.

 

[nino_savatte]

mmm......remember the arming of the police debate. The new shoot to kill to protect policy? Should the police be allowed to use Tassers? 28 day lock-up. etc etc etc All in the wake of 7th July methinks? 'Tis a slide, how fast the ride is we don't know.

You aren't doing too well here and you're diverting. The things that you have mentioned do not point to the formation of a fascist state.

You need to actually look up the definition of the word "fascist" and "fascism" before you dole it out willy nilly to describe any state action that appears to be draconian in nature.

 

[editor]

mmm......remember the arming of the police debate. The new shoot to kill to protect policy? Should the police be allowed to use Tassers? 28 day lock-up. etc etc etc All in the wake of 7th July methinks? .

All absolutely nothing to do with the well-documented rise in gun availability and increased gun crime in the UK over recent years, no?



Oh, and the argument for arming the police was going on way before 7/7.

 

[Prole]

Is this another of your lies?

Another? Do you really think I'm bothered whether U75ers read our site? It's obvious who is interested in questions and those that think they already have the answers.

 

[axon]

Here's a question for Prole.
Do you think it is feasible that our government is pursuing a shitty agenda that involves more control over people AND that there are groups of people that resort to terrorism in the name of Islam?

 

[Prole]

All absolutely nothing to do with the well-documented rise in gun availability and increased gun crime in the UK over recent years, no?



Oh, and the argument for arming the police was going on way before 7/7.

Is that where the new shoot to kill to protect policy came from? Surely not, it was in the wake of the new phenomenon of home-grown suicide-bombers methinks. What else will this new phenomenon give rise to ...?

 

[nino_savatte]

Fascism for dummies

It's the best I could do at such short notice but needless to say, we are not sliding towards fascism...authoritarianism maybe but fascism, no.

General characteristics
of a fascist country:

1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.
Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist when it strays away from its Tenets of sovereignty. In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics. Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security. Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the middle classes to forestall lower-working class revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the middle classes. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-class' love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of: TOP
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

 

[jæd]

Is that where the new shoot to kill to protect policy came from? Surely not, it was in the wake of the new phenomenon of home-grown suicide-bombers methinks. What else will this new phenomenon give rise to ...?

Mad old bats like you...?

 

[jæd]

I have attempted to trace the drivers of each of these 3 trains, the Aldgate train-driver remains a mystery.

Have you asked LU who was driving the train that day...? Just an idea, like...

 

[editor]

It's obvious who is interested in questions and those that think they already have the answers.

That'll be you with your puddles, plastic bags and false Photoshop claims, yes?

 

[Yossarian]

Nice try Ed, I was pointing out these observations of the one image (ONE) that has served as judge and jury. I noted that in both the 28/6 & 7/7 images from outside Luton Lindsay had a white carrier bag.

The man was carrying a white carrier bag on two seperate occasions - therefore the government was behind the 7th July bombings? You're a fucking loon.

 

[editor]

The man was carrying a white carrier bag on two seperate occasions - therefore the government was behind the 7th July bombings?

Don't forget the puddles!

 

[Prole]

You aren't doing too well here and you're diverting. The things that you have mentioned do not point to the formation of a fascist state.

You need to actually look up the definition of the word "fascist" and "fascism" before you dole it out willy nilly to describe any state action that appears to be draconian in nature.

What is your definition apart from the nationalistic and militaristic characteristics then?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Don't forget the puddles!

Thanks Ed for remind me of the puddles I wouldn't want to drop my Conspiraloon Pastie in the puddle would I.

 

[jæd]

Thanks Ed for remind me of the puddles I wouldn't want to drop my Conspiraloon Pastie in the puddle would I.

Conspiraloon Pasties -- made with conspiarloon-spuds...!

 

[jæd]

What is your definition apart from the nationalistic and militaristic characteristics then?

Don't you ever stop...? No-one gives a toss about you, or your silly theories... Get a life ffs...!

 

[Prole]

Here's a question for Prole.
Do you think it is feasible that our government is pursuing a shitty agenda that involves more control over people AND that there are groups of people that resort to terrorism in the name of Islam?

Yes to the shitty agendas, although I believe that there are forces behind governments.

I also believe that acts of 'terrorism' are carried out by groups pursuing a political agenda ie IRA ETA etc. I do not know what acts would be carried out in the name of 'Islam' or if in fact any ever have been.

 

[Prole]

Don't you ever stop...? No-one gives a toss about you, or your silly theories... Get a life ffs...!

FFS just ignore me then.

 

[Yossarian]

I also believe that acts of 'terrorism' are carried out by groups pursuing a political agenda ie IRA ETA etc. I do not know what acts would be carried out in the name of 'Islam' or if in fact any ever have been.

You don't know if there have ever been any acts of Islamic terrorism in the history of the world?

 

[jæd]

FFS just ignore me then.

Nah... This kills the time at work better...

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Conspiraloon Pasties -- made with conspiarloon-spuds...!

Yes!!! I'm never going to be able to eat a Conspir --- cornish pastie again with out thinking of loonspuds.

 

[Prole]

That'll be you with your puddles, plastic bags and false Photoshop claims, yes?

I don't think it has been proved yet that the one (ONE) image from Luton hasn't been photoshopped. It is still possibly fake. On the other hand if the sequence of images from 7th July were released (as they have been for the 28/6) we'd have a better idea.
I think I did ask why you thought we hadn't seen these and if you were content to accept one image miles from London as judge and jury? I can't remember you answering that.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think it has been proved yet that the one (ONE) image from Luton hasn't been photoshopped. It is still possibly fake.

The same thing applies to every other image taken since Photoshop came into existence.

 

[Prole]

You don't know if there have ever been any acts of Islamic terrorism in the history of the world?

Acts of terrorism in the name of Islam is what I was asked. Now acts of terrorism on a massive scale in the name of profits I have witnessed.

 

[editor]

I don't think it has been proved yet that the one (ONE) image from Luton hasn't been photoshopped.

And exactly how does one prove that? What ridiculous logic!

It is still possibly fake.

It's also possibly hand painted by a drunk elephant in the Congo, but I note that you've now wriggled your way out of your earlier emphatic assertion that it was definitely 'Photoshpped' to 'possibly.'

What evidence made you change your opinion?