The 7/7 Report

[editor]

I'm wondering if that only applies to us 'truth seekers' Ed as I can remember other people on these boards claiming they caught an earlier train or even a mainline one. Are they liars?

No idea what you're on about as usual, but I certainly don't recall anyone else banging on about the supposed amazing conspiratorial significance of a puddle or the dazzlingly mundane fact that a bomber was carrying a plastic bag.

 

[laptop]

Didn't Marx say something about everything becoming it's opposite under Capitalism?

That'll rather be some deluded person "extending" logic so that true===false ?

 

[TeeJay]

Yes, I agree - the 7.24 seems the most reasonable explanation. The difficulty arises in that the 'narrative' still refers to their taking the 7.40. This, in my opinion, had led to the continuing confusion.

Remember that "dossier" about Iraq that was compiled by some bureaucrat from the internet - including a student project?

What is this "narrative" in any case? Is it a formal legal document compiled by a specific body according to establish guidlines and procedures or just a bit of politically-motivated public-relations media spin ordered by politicians and carried out by some faceless, home office lackey?

The simplest explanation: they saw the train referred to as "the 7:40" and simply kept repeating this again and again, not wanting to deviate from the criowd and not wanting to bother going back and investigating the facts for themselves.

If this "narrative" was compiled by some generalist civil servant they will have been using secondary sources, not conducting an investigation themselves.

If someone else has called it "the 7:40" they will simply repeat this.

I doubt the train companies actually call their trains by "times" anyway - for the simple reason that a naming system like this would make no sense whatsoever (which time, which station, what to call a train that starts running at the wrong time etc, how to ditinguish between the rolling stock and the service it is doing that day etc). They most likely have a far better coding system for their rolling stock.

I have seen noone even ask about this.

Sorry this is feeble - both the "official narrative", the media - but also the people supposedly asking "difficult questions" about both.

I'd say that this is on of the things that I get most frustrated about the UK: the public is continually kept in the day and treatd as if they were morons.

 

[Blagsta]

A major component methinks.
Your logic is that if I say 'the merging of corporate and state power' = 'mental illness', would you like to expand on that? Or is it the level of debate on these boards to accuse people of being 'mad' if we disagree with them?

May I recommend this book?

 

[Prole]

Sorry but that doesn't mean the UK has become a fascist state. Where are the legions of concerned citizens militia's that have organised along fascist lines? Hoiw many opposition MPs have been beaten up or murdered? How many dissidents are incarcerated for their political beliefs? None.

Just because the flag of St George flies over buildings and on cars in England, doesn't mean a thing. Note if you will, the way I specified England as opposed to the UK.

Your thesis is weaker than an hour old kitten.

We were discussing a slide towards. Let's hope as many concerned citizens can unite against this outcome before any of these other things occur. Although there is of course David Kelly and who knows Robin Cook? I also heard David Davies saying he would like to see the UnionJack flying over every school.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

 

[TeeJay]

Go to Luton next time it rains and stick your head in any puddles you find.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

We were discussing a slide towards. Let's hope as many concerned citizens can unite against this outcome before any of these other things occur. Although there is of course David Kelly and who knows Robin Cook? I also heard David Davies saying he would like to see the UnionJack flying over every school.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

Fuck me is this one still here and still spouting at full speed

 

[editor]

I doubt the train companies actually call their trains by "times" anyway.

They don't - they're given numbers.

 

[tarannau]

The merging of corporate and state power. PPP PFI etc etc

No wonder you don't 'do answers.' You haven't even got a clue about the terminology you're using.

The thing that really fucks me off about 'truth seekers.' For all the guff about 'indepedent thought,' most of them just spend time recycling each others' words and the content of dodgy websites in an endless circle jerk, without actually really understanding what they're circulating or the terminology they've cadged off somone else.

 

[editor]

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

So you believe in God and the Devil, yes?

 

[Prole]

Oh really? You've left out the most salient aspects of fascism: nationalism and glorification of the military. The latter two are noticeably absent, which means that there is no slide towards fascism.

Perhaps this article on the early signs of fascism might interest you. It analyses what the early signs of a new form of fascism are, a global fascism with US hegemony.

 

[TeeJay]

They don't - they're given numbers.

So really the CT's, the narrative writer, the media and all of us who are commenting on the output of all of them should be asking for the numbers of the trains on the day, and asking which number train they are thought to have been on?

I think that maybe we need to recruit some hardcore trainspotters into this debate.

There must have been a whole load of passengers on each train, along with the drivers and guards (plus the station staff).

It couldn't be that hard for a reporter (professional or amateur) to go and interview some of these people surely? Or for a properly researched article to be written involving writing to the police, home office, network rail and the train operating companies?

You have got to wonder how hard the various "truth movement" people are trying if none of them have done any of this.

It almost makes me want to do an "investigation" myself - just so that I can get them to shut the fuck up about this "7:40 train".

 

[Prole]

Not as far as I'm aware. I think you're getting confused about the dialectic there.

Thought I might be. He did say 'all that is solid melts into air' though?

 

[jæd]

Fuck me is this one still here and still spouting at full speed

Doesn't she have anything better to do...? Like doing her nim-wit research...? Going to meeting and antagonising survivors, oh, ahem, "consiparaloon patsies"

 

[jæd]

Perhaps this article on the early signs of fascism might interest you. It analyses what the early signs of a new form of fascism are, a global fascism with US hegemony.

I'd rather see pictures of cute baby hedgehogs...

Do those figure in your daydreams...? Are you sure the alleged bombers weren't swallowed by a giant baby hedgehog in the tunnel. And then it burped and the trains derailed.

Perfectly plausable. Innit...?

 

[Prole]

No idea what you're on about as usual, but I certainly don't recall anyone else banging on about the supposed amazing conspiratorial significance of a puddle or the dazzlingly mundane fact that a bomber was carrying a plastic bag.

Nice try Ed, I was pointing out these observations of the one image (ONE) that has served as judge and jury. I noted that in both the 28/6 & 7/7 images from outside Luton Lindsay had a white carrier bag. I also noted the lack of rain or puddles in the area the 4 figures are, as it was raining and puddles are evident in other areas of the image.

 

[Prole]

Doesn't she have anything better to do...? Like doing her nim-wit research...? Going to meeting and antagonising survivors, oh, ahem, "consiparaloon patsies"

Book launch, but see how quickly smear and insinuation become 'fact'.

Perhaps this is part of my 'research?' How predominantly white middle-class professionals view these events? Just a thought.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Doesn't she have anything better to do...? Like doing her nim-wit research...? Going to meeting and antagonising survivors, oh, ahem, "consiparaloon patsies"

Ooooh Conspiraloon Pasties are they like Cornish Pasties but with more gristle? Can I have chips with mine?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I'd rather see pictures of cute baby hedgehogs...

Do those figure in your daydreams...? Are you sure the alleged bombers weren't swallowed by a giant baby hedgehog in the tunnel. And then it burped and the trains derailed.

Perfectly plausable. Innit...?

You mean Spiny Norman.....is Back. run for yer lives

 

[editor]

I noted that in both the 28/6 & 7/7 images from outside Luton Lindsay had a white carrier bag. I also noted the lack of rain or puddles in the area the 4 figures are, as it was raining and puddles are evident in other areas of the image.

So fucking what?
What's your point?

The surfaces are clearly different and people have already patiently pointed out that different surfaces have different levels of water retention.

Moreover it's been explained to you that less rain might fall on some areas because of buildings or something really fucking crazy might have happened - like the station staff sweeping the entrance.

And what the fuck is the significance of someone carrying a plastic bag? Millions of people carry plastic bags. It's entirely normal behaviour. In fact, I was carrying one just ten minutes ago and I invariably carry one when I get on a train too.

Your pitiful clutching at the weakest of straws and your lies and subsequent denials here suggest to me that you're so desperate to find a conspiracy that you're losing all touch with reality.

 

[editor]

How predominantly white middle-class professionals view these events?

Are you white and middle-class?
What's the ethnic make up of the 7/7 'truth' campaigners?

And, more importantly, what's race got to do with this?

 

[Prole]

So really the CT's, the narrative writer, the media and all of us who are commenting on the output of all of them should be asking for the numbers of the trains on the day, and asking which number train they are thought to have been on?

I think that maybe we need to recruit some hardcore trainspotters into this debate.

There must have been a whole load of passengers on each train, along with the drivers and guards (plus the station staff).

It couldn't be that hard for a reporter (professional or amateur) to go and interview some of these people surely? Or for a properly researched article to be written involving writing to the police, home office, network rail and the train operating companies?

You have got to wonder how hard the various "truth movement" people are trying if none of them have done any of this.

It almost makes me want to do an "investigation" myself - just so that I can get them to shut the fuck up about this "7:40 train".

I have attempted to trace the drivers of each of these 3 trains, the Aldgate train-driver remains a mystery. I totally agree with you, an investigative journalist should take up these issues, and if you were to please add it here: <spam deleted: editor> . We'd be pleased to hear from you.

 

[sparticus]

When I gave Camp Xray and extraordinary rendition as examples of our slide into fascism I was principally referring to the US. Although the UK's shoulder to shoulder support means Blair is Bush's willing puppet and equally culpable as a war criminal.

So in reference to the US are you seriously telling me, nino, that you haven't noticed a rise in nationalism and militarism since Bush came to power? And people reckon I'm deluded

You might also want to add the following to your list of characteristics of fascism (which the US satisfies)

Theft of elections (2000, 2004)
Starting illegal wars of aggression (Iraq, Afghanistan)
Clamp down on civil liberties (Patriot Act, etc)
Manipulation of and deception of the media
Etc, etc...........

 

[Prole]

Are you white and middle-class?
What's the ethnic make up of the 7/7 'truth' campaigners?

And, more importantly, what's race got to do with this?

An astonishing amount, especially if you are Muslim of Pakistani descent.

 

[editor]

An astonishing amount, especially if you are Muslim of Pakistani descent.

I asked: What's the ethnic make up of the 7/7 'truth' campaigners?

 

[editor]

I have attempted to trace the drivers of each of these 3 trains, the Aldgate train-driver remains a mystery. I

Why on earth should the drivers of these trains want you agenda-pushing nutcases getting in touch with them?

Don't you think they've suffered enough?



PS Please stop spamming your boards. I know you're desperate for traffic, but it's against the FAQ and I've let you get away with it once already.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I asked: What's the ethnic make up of the 7/7 'truth' campaigners?

I've just had a look at the Home Office webisite and consulted the Commission for Racial Equality and as far as I can make out

'Obsessive dubuios fruitloop loonspud' is not classified as an ethnic group

 

[Prole]

They don't - they're given numbers.

As in the Piccadilly Line train was 311, verified by BK the train driver and the station manager before it changed to 331 with no explananation. Something that I am still attempting to clarify. (link deleted)

 

[Jazzz]

Remember that "dossier" about Iraq that was compiled by some bureaucrat from the internet - including a student project?

What is this "narrative" in any case? Is it a formal legal document compiled by a specific body according to establish guidlines and procedures or just a bit of politically-motivated public-relations media spin ordered by politicians and carried out by some faceless, home office lackey?

The simplest explanation: they saw the train referred to as "the 7:40" and simply kept repeating this again and again, not wanting to deviate from the criowd and not wanting to bother going back and investigating the facts for themselves.

If this "narrative" was compiled by some generalist civil servant they will have been using secondary sources, not conducting an investigation themselves.

If someone else has called it "the 7:40" they will simply repeat this.

TeeJay, you've just explained how easy it is for a massive lie to be planted by some very few people, and then propagated by the entire apparatus of state unknowingly.

Next time someone says 'such a cover-up would take thousands of people' I shall refer them to your post here.

 

[Prole]

Why on earth should the drivers of these trains want you agenda-pushing nutcases getting in touch with them?

Don't you think they've suffered enough?



PS Please stop spamming your boards. I know you're desperate for traffic, but it's against the FAQ and I've let you get away with it once already.

Sorry it's just I am asked by you and others time and time again where my research is, so i thought I'd link in case anyone was interested in looking. We really don't need any more traffic thanks.