The 7/7 Report

[sparticus]

Could you give some specific examples of 7/7 "truth questioners" being locked up in a mental institution and also offer some examples about how the internet is being "controlled" to stop these people expressing their views please?

I won't even bother with your offensive "gas them all" comment apart from say that it was a truly moronic thing to say.

Idiot.

I didn't say 7/7 "truth questioners" were being locked up in mental institutions so I have nothing to prove. When I say 'Just look at 7/7' I am referring to the section of the narrative where it argued that the 7/7 terrorists may have been radicalised by 9/11 'conspiracy theories'.

But there is plenty of historical precedent where authoratarian regimes accuse their critics and people questioning official truths of being dangerous and/or insane and have locked them up in mental institutions or in the case of Nazi Germany sent to the gas chambers.

In an age when terrorist suspects are rounded up and thrown into hell holes like camp Xray or extradited in secret to face probable torture, I see nothing offensive in drawing parallels between the dangerously fascist tendencies of Bush (and his poodle Blair) and Nazi's solutions to people who disagreed with them.

Idiot yourself

 

[editor]

I didn't say 7/7 "truth questioners" were being locked up in mental institutions so I have nothing to prove. When I say 'Just look at 7/7' I am referring to the section of the narrative where it argued that the 7/7 terrorists may have been radicalised by 9/11 'conspiracy theories'.

Nice wriggle, but I'm afraid your words - and their context - are there for all to see:

Just look at 7/7. Control the internet and lock all these 'conspiraloons' up in a mental institution. No better still, gas them all. They are sub-human

So, have you got any examples of any 9/11 or 7/7 'conspiraloons' being gassed and/or locked up in mental institutions and the internet being controlled in relation to 7/7 or not?

Or was it just a load of totally irrelevant, hyperbolic frothing?

 

[Yossarian]

I think you are joking but in today's world it's hard to tell. I think this reference to 9/11 conspiracy theories is designed to lead the public to conclude just that. Allowing people to question official truths is dangerous. Just look at 7/7. Control the internet and lock all these 'conspiraloons' up in a mental institution. No better still, gas them all. They are sub-human

Yeah - because people taking the piss out of your stupid theories is *exactly* like how Hitler oppressed the Jews, you poor, persecuted thing.

 

[editor]

Yeah - because people taking the piss out of your stupid theories is *exactly* like how Hitler oppressed the Jews, you poor, persecuted thing.

I think it's all part of the 'truth seeker' super-hero fantasy.

 

[sparticus]

Yeah - because people taking the piss out of your stupid theories is *exactly* like how Hitler oppressed the Jews, you poor, persecuted thing.

What stupid theories of mine are you referring to?

I never said it was "exactly" the same, but there are similarities

 

[Yossarian]

Bollocks. Comparing yourself to oppressed Jews under Hitler is sinking very low indeed.

 

[sparticus]

Nice wriggle, but I'm afraid your words - and their context - are there for all to see:
So, have you got any examples of any 9/11 or 7/7 'conspiraloons' being gassed and/or locked up in mental institutions and the internet being controlled in relation to 7/7 or not?

Or was it just a load of totally irrelevant, hyperbolic frothing?

Complete bullshit. My words are indeed there to be read in context to detective boys original post and the 7/7 narrative (as opposed to selectively quoting)

The 7/7 narrative argues that the bombers were influenced by 9/11 conspiracy theories.

To which detective boy (possibly in jest) concludes CT's are dangerous and should locked up.

I was merely taking detective boy's logic and expanding it.

That you choose to read it in another way is your business.

Care to comment on the evidence showing that in the recent past our intelligence services have been colluding with terrorists and that this may be one reason why many are not prepared to take the conclusions of this anonymous report on trust

 

[sparticus]

Bollocks. Comparing yourself to oppressed Jews under Hitler is sinking very low indeed.

I am comparing our slide towards fascism as exemplified by Camp Xray and Extraordinary Rendition to the gradual slide towards fascism in Nazi Germany. Nothing low about that. Bollocks yourself

 

[sparticus]

What stupid theories of mine are you referring to?

Answer, please

 

[dennisr]

Answer, please

After reading your recent comments...

"I'm NOT Sparticus"

 

[dennisr]

"and... neither is my wife..."

 

[Prole]

I am comparing our slide towards fascism as exemplified by Camp Xray and Extraordinary Rendition to the gradual slide towards fascism in Nazi Germany. Nothing low about that. Bollocks yourself

Well done that's exactly as I see it. Except that some people here prefer the slide with eyes wide shut.

Those of us who refuse to accept the 'move on, nothing to see here' mentality and instead opt for, 'hang on I just want to check this out before I'm prepared to move on' get 'abused' as 'truth seekers'. FFS when did truth seeker become a term of abuse? Didn't Marx say something about everything becoming it's opposite under Capitalism?

 

[editor]

I was merely taking detective boy's logic and expanding it.

Sure you were.

<snigger>

 

[nino_savatte]

What is this "slide towards fascism" that our conspiracy loving pals are talking about? I get the feeling that none of them actually knows what fascism is and would probably call someone like Blair (or Thatcher) a fascist.

Only the intellectually lazy dole out words like "fascist" when they really mean something else.

 

[editor]

Except that some people here prefer the slide with eyes wide shut.

As opposed to 'truth seekers' people like you who get caught out lying and then try and deny it, yes?

 

[Prole]

What is this "slide towards fascism" that our conspiracy loving pals are talking about? I get the feeling that none of them actually knows what fascism is and would probably call someone like Blair (or Thatcher) a fascist.

Only the intellectually lazy dole out words like "fascist" when they really mean something else.

The merging of corporate and state power. PPP PFI etc etc

 

[laptop]

The merging of corporate and state power. PPP PFI etc etc

If that's your definition of "fascism" then if no conspiraloons at all have been sectioned then that's a sign of serious failings in our mental health system.


See what I did there? Three-step logic.

* Awaits expansion *

 

[nino_savatte]

The merging of corporate and state power. PPP PFI etc etc

Oh really? You've left out the most salient aspects of fascism: nationalism and glorification of the military. The latter two are noticeably absent, which means that there is no slide towards fascism.

 

[Prole]

If that's your definition of "fascism" then if no conspiraloons at all have been sectioned then that's a sign of serious failings in our mental health system.


See what I did there? Three-step logic.

* Awaits expansion *

A major component methinks.
Your logic is that if I say 'the merging of corporate and state power' = 'mental illness', would you like to expand on that? Or is it the level of debate on these boards to accuse people of being 'mad' if we disagree with them?

 

[editor]

Your logic is that if I say 'the merging of corporate and state power' = 'mental illness', would you like to expand on that? Or is it the level of debate on these boards to accuse people of being 'mad' if we disagree with them?

I don't know if you're mad, but you're most definitely wrong and talking bollocks.

Mind you, I'm trying hard not to harbour doubts about the mental state of someone who makes up stuff and then denies it, and then goes on about puddles as proof of a massive, murderous conspiracy.

And plastic bags too, of course.

Most odd.

 

[nino_savatte]

A major component methinks.
Your logic is that if I say 'the merging of corporate and state power' = 'mental illness', would you like to expand on that? Or is it the level of debate on these boards to accuse people of being 'mad' if we disagree with them?

Nationalism and glorification of the military are the defining characteristics of a fascist state.

Funny how you avoided those points - innit?

 

[Prole]

Oh really? You've left out the most salient aspects of fascism: nationalism and glorification of the military. The latter two are noticeably absent, which means that there is no slide towards fascism.

I've seen the Flag of St George flying everywhere recently. Increased police powers, 28 day lock-up (interestingly mooted by none other than Peter Power on Newsnight in the days following 7th July). The creation of an external enemy as in the war of terror, the creation of an internal enemy (young muslims if we believe the official report of 7th July). ID cards giving the state far reaching powers. etc etc etc

 

[Prole]

Nationalism and glorification of the military are the defining characteristics of a fascist state.

Funny how you avoided those points - innit?

They may be the defining 'characteristics' but the merging of corporate and state power is fascism's economic base.

 

[editor]

I've seen the Flag of St George flying everywhere recently.

Errr, that's because the World Cup is happening next month.

 

[nino_savatte]

I've seen the Flag of St George flying everywhere recently. Increased police powers, 28 day lock-up (interestingly mooted by none other than Peter Power on Newsnight in the days following 7th July). The creation of an external enemy as in the war of terror, the creation of an internal enemy (young muslims if we believe the official report of 7th July). ID cards giving the state far reaching powers. etc etc etc

Sorry but that doesn't mean the UK has become a fascist state. Where are the legions of concerned citizens militia's that have organised along fascist lines? Hoiw many opposition MPs have been beaten up or murdered? How many dissidents are incarcerated for their political beliefs? None.

Just because the flag of St George flies over buildings and on cars in England, doesn't mean a thing. Note if you will, the way I specified England as opposed to the UK.

Your thesis is weaker than an hour old kitten.

 

[Prole]

I don't know if you're mad, but you're most definitely wrong and talking bollocks.

Mind you, I'm trying hard not to harbour doubts about the mental state of someone who makes up stuff and then denies it, and then goes on about puddles as proof of a massive, murderous conspiracy.

And plastic bags too, of course.

Most odd.

I'm wondering if that only applies to us 'truth seekers' Ed as I can remember other people on these boards claiming they caught an earlier train or even a mainline one. Are they liars? Or is that a term of abuse reserved only for those you so obviously disagree with? I can see why you are Editor and not Moderator, moderation would be beyond you.

 

[Blagsta]

I am comparing our slide towards fascism as exemplified by Camp Xray and Extraordinary Rendition to the gradual slide towards fascism in Nazi Germany. Nothing low about that. Bollocks yourself

Actually I think what's happening today is qualitively different from 1930's Germany. Different time, different place. I'm not sure how useful comparisons are (apart from meaningless rhetoric that is).

 

[nino_savatte]

They may be the defining 'characteristics' but the merging of corporate and state power is fascism's economic base.

No, you clearly do not know what fascism is and if you have to conflate it with state power alone then it isn't fascism simply becaue you say it is so. Nationalism and the glorification of the military are absent. Therefore a fascist state does not exist in the UK.

Try reading some real history for a change. You could start with the Portuguese republic under Salazar or read up on Mussolini...but I know that's too much for you and it doesn't come from one of Rense's sites.

 

[fela fan]

Errr, that's because the World Cup is happening next month.

I hope you've got yours up mate...

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[Blagsta]

Didn't Marx say something about everything becoming it's opposite under Capitalism?

Not as far as I'm aware. I think you're getting confused about the dialectic there.