The 7/7 Report
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Blagsta
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Prole said:
Robert Paxton, in the aforementioned "The Anatomy of Fascisms" defines it thus - "Fascism may be defined as a form of political behaviour marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity in which a mass based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion".
You should give it a read.
Bob_the_lost
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Ahem!Blagsta said:
Jazzz, prole and badgerkitten (the cunning minx!)
Bob_the_lost
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Prole!Jazzz said:And which of these three is saying "just believe me, because I know what happened?"
Oh VERY good ...jæd said:
Wrong; I don't tell anyone what to believe - that's their business. Neither does Prole. On the other hand Badger Kitten doesn't seem to accept at all that people might have different beliefs to her about what happened on 7/7 and indulges in browbeating of those who disagree.Blagsta said:
Jazzz said:
Do holocaust deniers claim that survivors of the camps 'browbeat' their 'different beliefs' in your opinion then Jazzz?
There's some point to that admittedly (not that) hyperbolic comparison: show some respect and empathy for gawd's sake. One side's been involved in a terrifying physical attack, the other's all too prone to believing any of the latest conspiracy tosh from a circle-jerk of paranoid websites. You'll have to excuse most for finding your continued haste to find conspiracies near everywhere, regardless and in spite of the evidence, a little bit in bad taste here.
editor
hiraethified
What you do is regularly present ludicrous, laughably unresearched 'facts' and declare them to be 'the truth' (e.g. "WTC Here's how they did it", "9/11 planes didn't exist", "Huntley Innocent!" "Soham murders link with 9/11"etc etc etc)....Jazzz said:
Talking of which, whatever happened to that mysteriously invisible, untraceable anti-Semitic forensic pathologist 'expert' who posted up on those invisible, untraceable boards about Saddam's sons and then suddenly became an expert for the 9/11 Truth Seekers (or whatever that motley collection of non-entities, lab assistants and fruitloops were called)?
I can remember you getting quite excited when you saw his name on the 9/11 nutjobs list, but then growing strangely reluctant to contact him once you realised he didn't appear to exist.
axon said:
I spoke to 'Mauve', he can't get through to you for some reason
but he wants to reassure you that "everything's in hand"
Jazzz said:
Care to issue a similar condemnation of the people giving Badger Kitten and other survivors a similarly hard time at at least one public meeting/booklaunch??
And care to issue a similar condemnation of those who accuse her of being a shill and a state asset on at least one ultra-barking conspiracist website? In their efforts to belittle and deny her experience and her interpretation of it, because her articulately written blog contradicts their pet theories?
(I followed one or two of the relevant links yesterday, quoted earlier by BK, and if anyone thinks Urban is a nest of weird people, they should take a look over on the sites around Loonside Close for REAL insanity!)
No of course you have nothing to do with such people and websites yourself Jazzz.
Of course not -- but you do very little to assist your own arguments by refusing to disassociate yourself from such arseholes. The sort of people who constantly undermine your case every time they pop up ...
bingiman said:
Do have this some of this fine wine ... I'm sure we can sort this one out amicably ..
My "9/11 - here's how they did it" thread as you know was several years ago. 2002? A shame we don't have it anymore. In it I posited that the flights were swapped for drone aircraft, they all fired missiles before impact, and the WTC was demolished. Years ahead of its time - these are now commonplace views in a movement which has grown several thousand fold where they were minority views among a tiny handful before - in fact the missiles into the WTC was my original based on what I thought had to happen - before www.letsroll.org went out and slowed down the footage or anyone noticed the 'pod'.editor said:
I am extremely proud of that thread; you heard it first on urban75. Maybe you'll appreciate it one day.
I can barely be bothered to rebut your other points, but the flights 11 and 77 mysteriously appeared on the BTS database (after you guys thought they didn't need to) and that research held up. I never proclaimed that Huntley was certainly innocent only that he might not be guilty and admitted corrections straightaway. Peter Kirsch is there to be contacted if you want to keep insinuating that he doesn't exist.
In the past, I may have used thread titles that were bold statements. This was in the spirit of attracting discussion rather than a claim they were certainly true.
You could add threads about vaccines possibly being the cause of Gulf War Syndrome - I was ridiculed for that one too. It's now a mainstream scientific view. You could add the thread about the US military setting fire to Kuwaiti Oil Well so they could earn megabucks putting them out later - I was ridiculed on there until someone came along whose uncle was out there and confirmed it.
I completely stand by the Uday & Qusay Hussein death sham and that the Saddam on trial is not the real one. This is what his wife said when she met him
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htm
But we digress.
bingiman said:
I have immense sympathy for badger kitten and I have stated so many times. I also don't blame her for any emotional reactions on her part and have also said that. And I say it again. However she is more than capable of handling herself, and has certainly taken one hell of a fight towards any sceptics with immense vitriol (regrettably some retaliating in a way I do not condone).tarannau said:Do holocaust deniers claim that survivors of the camps 'browbeat' their 'different beliefs' in your opinion then Jazzz?
There's some point to that admittedly (not that) hyperbolic comparison: show some respect and empathy for gawd's sake. One side's been involved in a terrifying physical attack, the other's all too prone to believing any of the latest conspiracy tosh from a circle-jerk of paranoid websites. You'll have to excuse most for finding your continued haste to find conspiracies near everywhere, regardless and in spite of the evidence, a little bit in bad taste here.
Jazzz said:
Prison Planet!
Yer having a laugh mate ...
Jazzz said:
Retaliating? Or launching an attack on her?
I can't be sure, but would like to hear her version too.
But nevertheless, respect to that post.
bingiman
Jah Gaza
returning to the thread
I too would have liked to have seen an independent inquiry
I remember another "narrative" this government came up,
plagiarising a doctoral dissertation to prove Saddam had WMD
The report seems to be rewarding those who failed us.
The security services, their job, their watch, their failure
And in return..............we reward them with bigger budgets
I too would have liked to have seen an independent inquiry
I remember another "narrative" this government came up,
plagiarising a doctoral dissertation to prove Saddam had WMD
The report seems to be rewarding those who failed us.
The security services, their job, their watch, their failure
And in return..............we reward them with bigger budgets
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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