The 7/7 Report

[editor]

Making sure that bought return train tickets, a week's worth of pay and display for the car, and a spare pair of trousers too. Quite why someone about to blow themselves up would go to a length to do so in fresh trousers is beyond me. Odd?

Naturally, you can point us all in the direction of many credible studies carefully examining the behaviour patterns of suicide bombers to prove that your point makes any sense whatsoever, yes?

Or is this yet another example of you cluelessly projecting your own desire to be a hot truth-seeker uncovering the UK's greatest conspiracy without need to recourse to boring everyday trifles like facts, evidence, alternative theories, expert insights etc etc.

 

[editor]

So why did these four kids decide to become suicide bombers?

Sorry, what is your point?

 

[vimto]

Making sure that bought return train tickets, a week's worth of pay and display for the car, and a spare pair of trousers too. Quite why someone about to blow themselves up would go to a length to do so in fresh trousers is beyond me. Odd?

Well they found a passport in the WTC if that's any help.

 

[JKKne]

Sorry, what is your point?

ISn't that a question as opposed to a point?

Move on from the conspiracy stuff and focusing on the actual plausible issues...



I think

 

[vimto]

So what the fuck has been happening with the death of Charles De Menezes?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm

 

[Prole]

You weren't "asking questions." That statement is a lie.

What you were actually doing was emphatically insisting that the image had been tampered with using Photoshop.

Did I? Where?

I'd say this little exchange speaks volumes of the woeful lack of credibility of your claims.

Well we're all entitled to our opinions.

And could you explain the nature of these 'instincts' please? What made you 'instinctively' declare an image to have been tampered with?

It might be just a female thing, but I always trust my instincts. Apart from that, it rained that morning in Luton, there are puddles, yet none in the area the 4 figures are, which makes you think that there is some kind of cover over the entrance. There isn't. Why no rain on the ground there?

What is your experience of photo manipulation?
What is your experience of video still capture?

None, but I guess there are plenty around. Some who work for various SS agencies I suspect.

 

[vimto]

Maybe I'm on the wrong thread

 

[editor]

ISn't that a question as opposed to a point?

Take a look at his earlier posts in this thread please.

He's clearly trying to make some point or another by repeatedly popping up to ask random questions, but I'll be buggered if I know what it is.

 

[vimto]

Sorry, what is your point?

And yours?

 

[editor]

Did I? Where?

It's really tedious dealing with people like you and Azrael who continually try and deny your own words:

Whatever happened to the principle of innocent until proven guilty?

One CCTV image from Luton (badly photoshopped btw) catching a train that didn't run? (narrative can't explain how Tanweer's trousers change from light to dark between the service station and Luton)

Is that all the evidence you guys need?

Talk about joining the dots!

And you have the nerve to call me a conspiracy theorist!
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[JKKne]

Take a look at his earlier posts in this thread please.

He's clearly trying to make some point or another by repeatedly popping up to ask random questions, but I'll be buggered if I know what it is.

Ah my bad. I ended up focusing on the Jazz stuff

 

[Prole]

It's really tedious dealing with people like you and Azrael who continually try and deny your own words:

Yeah ok it's a fair cop guv. But you've got to agree, it is isn't it, badly photoshopped? They should have added some puddles on the ground around the 4 guys or is that too difficult to add in? They'd be reflections to add in then I suppose. But then I'm no expert.

 

[editor]

Yeah ok it's a fair cop guv. But you've got to agree, it is isn't it, badly photoshopped?

FFS. You're getting beyond a joke now.

Either that or you're a particularly pathetic troll.

But then I'm no expert.

Not wrong there.

I'm beginning to run out of reasons to let you carry on posting up your evidence-free claims, only to then admit you have zero qualifications to make those claims, then lie and deny you ever made the claim in the first place - before starting all over again with the same unqualified, ill-informed claim.

If all you can do is indulge yourself in this weird cycle of selective amnesia, lies and evidence-free statements, I think it's time you took yourself off to some loonspud site somewhere else instead.

 

[Prole]

FFS. You're getting beyond a joke now.

Either that or you're a particularly pathetic troll.
Not wrong there.

I'm beginning to run out of reasons to let you carry on posting up your evidence-free claims, only to then admit you have zero qualifications to make those claims, then lie and deny you ever made the claim in the first place - before starting all over again with the same unqualified, ill-informed claim.

If all you can do is indulge yourself in this weird cycle of selective amnesia, lies and evidence-free statements, I think it's time you took yourself off to some loonspud site somewhere else instead.

I notice you didn't mention the rain and the puddles. Don't they count as evidence?

Are you banning me?

 

[Azrael23]

You can`t prove the photos are fake though, its better to highlight things like Aswats links, prior knowledge, the drills...

I don`t think you should be banned tho! lol

 

[Jazzz]

I'm sure you've naturally already thoroughly researched this, but do you know the colour of the back of his cap?

And seeing as you're having trouble 'understanding' the picture, have you been up to the station to photograph the scene (taking account of the weather conditions/time of day/camera used, natch), or is this another of your bedroom 'investigations' which come ready-stocked with fact-free suggestions of conspiracy-tastic going ons?

I thought of that, along with the idea that his backpack may be covering it. Firstly, although not impossible caps with white on one half and dark the other must be very much in the minority. Secondly even if the alignment just happened to be as good as possible (the cap would seem to be at an angle), due to the elevation there is still part which should be visible both directly and in reflection.

We can discount the backpack idea thanks to the metal bar which then gets even crazier.

 

[editor]

I notice you didn't mention the rain and the puddles. Don't they count as evidence?

FFS: how about something really fucking crazy like the pavement outside the station is on a slope that drains water away easily?
Or that the rain came in from a side protected by the station buildings?
Or that a guard swept it minutes beforehand?

Have you been to the building to check out how the rain is drained off? Have you looked up the layout of the building? Do you know anything about the station at all?

But I can see both a wet pavement and puddles all over the place so I've no fucking idea whatever it is you're bleating on about but I'm sure it's every bit as vital and as significant as someone carrying a fucking plastic bag.

Are you banning me?

If you keep on posting up shit, lying about it, denying it and then repeating yourself all over again, yes.

 

[editor]

You can`t prove the photos are fake though, its better to highlight things like Aswats links, prior knowledge, the drills...

Are you going to answer my questions concerning your earlier claims about the 7/7 exercises now please?

I've asked about 5 or 6 times, I reckon.

 

[Prole]

You can`t prove the photos are fake though, its better to highlight things like Aswats links, prior knowledge, the drills...

I don`t think you should be banned tho! lol

The Sunday Times today mentions the Iqra ex-SBS guy which is the first mention I've seen of him since last July:

They had monitored the activities of a former special forces soldier who had converted to Islam and worked in a extremist bookshop that the bombers frequented. The man, who has always denied any involvement in Islamic extremism, knew the bombers and helped organise outdoor activity courses for devout young Muslims.

White-water rafting perhaps?

 

[Jazzz]

FFS: how about something really fucking crazy
...

Or that a guard swept it minutes beforehand?

Now that really is a fucking crazy suggestion

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It's interesting isn't it, that while Blair's responsibility for putting us in this situation by telling lies to start an illegal war remains unresolved, and while information begins to emerge suggesting incompetence on the part of state security agencies despite the roll-back of our ancient liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, such effort is going into arguing about these video stills.

 

[Prole]

OK maybe one of you photoshop/vhs experts could cast a beady eye over this image and tell me if bars appear through bodies. Also I'd like to know what the numbers along the right hand side might be.

Did anyone know what the numbers along the right hand side refer to?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

See what I mean? Blair gets a free pass in favour of pixel-peeping.

 

[Prole]

It's interesting isn't it, that while Blair's responsibility for putting us in this situation by telling lies to start an illegal war remains unresolved, and while information begins to emerge suggesting incompetence on the part of state security agencies despite the roll-back of our ancient liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, such effort is going into arguing about these video stills.

But surely that's because it is the only evidence in the public domain to date that we have been shown to link these 4 young men to the events in London that morning?

 

[editor]

Did anyone know what the numbers along the right hand side refer to?

Why? Are you looking to invent another piss-weak conspiracy yarn now that you've made such a total tit of yourself with your "I didn't say it" Photoshopped claims and your risible plastic bag/'no rain' claims?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

What's more important, the fact that we've got a terrorist problem because our prime minister lied to start an illegal war or quibbles about train times?

 

[Jazzz]

The apparatus of state conspired to fabricate the WMD 'conspiracy' to start the Iraq war. 9/11 played a pretty big role in setting the climate for that too. Which lies are going to start the next one?

 

[Prole]

Why? Are you looking to invent another piss-weak conspiracy yarn now that you've made such a total tit of yourself with your "I didn't say it" Photoshopped claims and your risible plastic bag/'no rain' claims?

No it's just there seem to be expert qualified people here who might know. As you have already pointed out I don't know anything about jpeg or video capture.
Also I think it's just your opinion frankly that the carrier bag/rain claim is risible. I think it's significant.

 

[Prole]

What's more important, the fact that we've got a terrorist problem because our prime minister lied to start an illegal war or quibbles about train times?

I for one haven't figured out who the real terrorists are yet.

 

[editor]

Also I think it's just your opinion frankly that the carrier bag/rain claim is risible. I think it's significant.

Explain their relevance and importance please, detailing the research you've undertaken into these apparentky "significant" details.