The 7/7 Report

[editor]

So what are these conspiracies which your fighting to address?

Are you going to finally answer my questions please?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are you going to finally answer my questions please?

Don't hold your breath.

 

[detective-boy]

In your experience, is it at all unusual for the police to release comparatively few images (compared to those of the dummy-run)? Or would doing so now, when the identity and fate of the 4 is not in doubt, be considered to be pandering to conspiracy theorists?

I'm not sure there is anything in my experience that I would use as a comparator. Usually (invariably) when something is this big / important there is a criminal trial or at least there would be as soon as someone were caught and hence the evidence (or at least a large chunk of it) sees the light of day and is tested during the trial.

I see this as an unusual situation which provides an opportunity to develop a mechanism which is somewhere on the road to a public enquiry but nowhere near as ungainly / slow / expensive.

Unfortunately I do not see this government being in the mood to share anything they don't have to with the public at this time.

I must admit I was somewhat surprised to find that the narrative did not turn out be accompanied by photographs, plans, tables, extracts from experts reports, witness statements, etc. I am well aware of all the reasons why things could not / should not be publicised but, in my opinion, it is entirely unreasonable to think that this applies to everything.

 

[Prole]

OK maybe one of you photoshop/vhs experts could cast a beady eye over this image and tell me if bars appear through bodies. Also I'd like to know what the numbers along the right hand side might be.

 

[detective-boy]

So why would the ST say it wasn't? Someone slap that sub-editor

I read it from the outset as "unreported by any other media" (i.e. they couldn't be arsed) as opposed to "unreported by Hansard" (i.e. secret)

 

[laptop]

I read it from the outset as "unreported by any other media"

D'oh! That makes sense.

The risk in piping stuff through the Commons chamber is always that some other hack will notice its significance...

So it's a sigh of relief...

 

[detective-boy]

Oh, and on the whole photoshop kick ... it's a waste of effort really. Unless you know exactly what has happened to the image you are working on prior to your getting it, anything you discover could have happened anywhere.

For such an analysis to be of any value at all, you would need to obtain your image directly from the official source (e.g. downloaded from an official site or whatever).

 

[Prole]

Oh, and on the whole photoshop kick ... it's a waste of effort really. Unless you know exactly what has happened to the image you are working on prior to your getting it, anything you discover could have happened anywhere.

For such an analysis to be of any value at all, you would need to obtain your image directly from the official source (e.g. downloaded from an official site or whatever).

Can only work with what's been released by the police methinks, and as they have over 5,000 cctv images do you think they'd let me have a couple?

 

[TAE]

BBC have picked up on the bomber tapes question:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4769729.stm
"Shadow Home Secretary David Davis has renewed his call for an independent inquiry into the 7 July London bombs."

 

[editor]

What about the points Michael Meacher raised about the war on terror?

How about you answer my questions concerning your own claims or are you going to keep on pathetically wriggling about?

 

[editor]

OK maybe one of you photoshop/vhs experts could cast a beady eye over this image and tell me if bars appear through bodies.

I thought you were the Photoshop expert?

After all, you're the one insisting that the images have been nefariously Photoshopped by The Man.

When are you going to produce your proof for this claim, please?

 

[Prole]

I thought you were the Photoshop expert?

After all, you're the one insisting that the images have been nefariously Photoshopped by The Man.

When are you going to produce your proof for this claim, please?

I'm no expert I just used my own eyes. There are very obviously bars going through the blob we are told is Khan. Also there are no puddles where the 4 figures are which given it was raining and the entrance is uncovered struck me as odd.
I liked your point (if you were the ed that made it) that you carried a carrier bag when you went shopping, when I pointed out that Lindsay was carrying a white carrier bag on both the 28/6 and 7th July. I doubt if Lindsay was going shopping on the 7th.

 

[Jazzz]

Having a look at the reflection in the screen I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, Hussain (left) seems to have his legs crossed in the reflection the same way they are crossed for real. Secondly, notice Khan's white cap - it doesn't show up white in the reflection (compare with the white of the ticket box).

 

[editor]

I liked your point (if you were the ed that made it) that you carried a carrier bag when you went shopping, when I pointed out that Lindsay was carrying a white carrier bag on both the 28/6 and 7th July. I doubt if Lindsay was going shopping on the 7th.

So, let's get this straight.

Exactly what is supposedly significant about the fact that Lindsay - like millions of people every single day in the UK - was carrying a white carrier bag? What's your point? What's supposed to be so unusual about that?

And seeing as you've admitted to have no clue about Photoshop, why on earth did you emphatically declare an image to be 'Photoshopped' when it's clear you have:
(a) no proof
(b) no idea

 

[editor]

Having a look at the reflection in the screen I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, Hussain (left) seems to have his legs crossed in the reflection the same way they are crossed for real. Secondly, notice Khan's white cap - it doesn't show up white in the reflection (compare with the white of the ticket box).

Unless you have access to the original - i.e. not an image optimised for the web by a third party - your <guffaw> 'observations' are a total waste of time.

 

[sparticus]

Prediction: loada conspiraloons do 180° turn and start arguing that the Leeds lads did do it - encouraged by Five.

I have already suggested such a scenario

But then so have others such as John Loftus


Indeed badger kitten on her blog here starts with many of the same questions as I would and she refers to John Loftus and Michael Meacher as I do. Does this make BK a conspiraloon or me sane?

From BK's blog
"...........Or even via a ''suspected mastermind'' (& aide to extremist cleric Abu Hamza) Haroon Rashid Aswat ( accused by former U.S federal prosecutor John Loftus on Fox TV, and by Michael Meacher, M.P of being an Al Queda operative previously used by M16 to recruit Islamic fighters in Kosovo via the now- banned militant Islamist extremist London group al-Muhajiroun. Is Haroon Aswat, now apparently extradited to the U.S really an UK intelligence service asset, as reported by some sources ? ( or even a double agent?)

 

[laptop]

I have already

Then you're not included in "180° turn", are you?

 

[Prole]

So, let's get this straight.

Exactly what is supposedly significant about the fact that Lindsay - like millions of people every single day in the UK - was carrying a white carrier bag? What's your point? What's supposed to be so unusual about that?

And seeing as you've admitted to have no clue about Photoshop, why on earth did you emphatically declare an image to be 'Photoshopped' when it's clear you have:
(a) no proof
(b) no idea

We have seen only one poor quality image at Luton from the 7th July. None of all 4 from KX. YET a whole sequence at Luton & KX from 28/6, We know the 7.40 can't have arrived at KX on 7th July at 8.23 as the narrative said.
WHAT IF: the image from the 7th July is actually cobbled together from images we know they have from 28/6:
That would explain:
the carrier bag
why the narrative can't explain Tanweer's change of tracksuit bottoms
why bars are superimposed on Khan's body
and why we have seen no further images from 7th July of all 4 either at Luton or KX
BUT I could be wrong and the reason we haven't seen these images is:
?

 

[laptop]

* List of random speculation with no connection to the world *

why bars are superimposed on Khan's body

You really aren't paying attention to anything, are you?

and why we have seen no further images

Having seen quotes that say they're the letters that conspiraloons are writing, the more you lot ask the more any reasonable person will dig their heels in.

 

[editor]

We have seen only one poor quality image at Luton from the 7th July. None of all 4 from KX. YET a whole sequence at Luton & KX from 28/6, We know the 7.40 can't have arrived at KX on 7th July at 8.23 as the narrative said.

So, you'll now admit that you were completely and utterly unqualified to declare that the photo was Photoshopped, yes?

So why did you say it?

And your piss-weak attempt to attach some loonspud significance to the plastic bag really reflects your truly desperate need to find a conspiracy.

And why do you expect the narrative to explain someone changing their trousers after a long car ride (if indeed they did)?
It's hardly a terribly unusual activity.

 

[Jazzz]

Unless you have access to the original - i.e. not an image optimised for the web by a third party - your <guffaw> 'observations' are a total waste of time.

I confess I cannot understand at all how Khan's white cap has vanished from the reflection even with allowances for blurring and compression.

We can only go on what is put in front of us.

 

[vimto]

This is bollocks.

They decided that they were going to take their own lives at the expense of others.

Why?

 

[vimto]

Hello

 

[JKKne]

I confess I cannot understand at all how Khan's white cap has vanished from the reflection even with allowances for blurring and compression.

We can only go on what is put in front of us.

You made more sense when you were a doctor

 

[Prole]

So, you'll now admit that you were completely and utterly unqualified to declare that the photo was Photoshopped, yes?

So why did you say it?

And your piss-weak attempt to attach some loonspud significance to the plastic bag really reflects your truly desperate need to find a conspiracy.

And why do you expect the narrative to explain someone changing their trousers after a long car ride (if indeed they did)?
It's hardly a terribly unusual activity.

Yes Ed I am totally unqualified to declare the image photoshopped. Guilty as charged.
Just trust my eyes and my instincts that's all, and since when do I need qualifications to ask questions?
Question everything because only the truth stands up to rigorous investigation.
Doesn't explain why there's only ever been one image of the 4 taken miles from London to act as judge and jury. Release the evidence!

 

[editor]

I confess I cannot understand at all how Khan's white cap has vanished from the reflection even with allowances for blurring and compression.

I'm sure you've naturally already thoroughly researched this, but do you know the colour of the back of his cap?

And seeing as you're having trouble 'understanding' the picture, have you been up to the station to photograph the scene (taking account of the weather conditions/time of day/camera used, natch), or is this another of your bedroom 'investigations' which come ready-stocked with fact-free suggestions of conspiracy-tastic going ons?

 

[Jazzz]

This is bollocks.

They decided that they were going to take their own lives at the expense of others.

Why?

Making sure that bought return train tickets, a week's worth of pay and display for the car, and a spare pair of trousers too. Quite why someone about to blow themselves up would go to a length to do so in fresh trousers is beyond me. Odd?

 

[editor]

Just trust my eyes and my instincts that's all, and since when do I need qualifications to ask questions?

You weren't "asking questions." That statement is a lie.

What you were actually doing was emphatically insisting that the image had been tampered with using Photoshop.

I'd say this little exchange speaks volumes of the woeful lack of credibility of your claims.

And could you explain the nature of these 'instincts' please? What made you 'instinctively' declare an image to have been tampered with?
What is your experience of photo manipulation?
What is your experience of video still capture?

 

[laptop]

have you been up to the station to photograph the scene

You're suggesting that a conspiraloon engage with the world outside?

That they tear themselves away from the Sacred Texts of the folie aux plusiers?

Isn't that an infringement of the Declaration of Lizard Rights or something?

 

[vimto]

So why did these four kids decide to become suicide bombers?

Fuck the conspiracy shit.

Why?