The 7/7 Report
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Really?pk said:
Depending on the machine/age of tape etc, I've seen all sorts of weird and wonderful artefacts appear on old videos - especially ones played on my machine that have been recorded elsewhere.
I've got ones with horizontal lines, vertical lines, blotches, double images, colour shifts, weird conmpression-like effects - the lot!
But didn't you know!!!!scalyboy said:
One of the directors of Boots plc is Dr Martin Read, who used to work for GEC Marconi, a leading defence company. Also key shareholders in Boots plc also include Franklin Resources Inc - an American investment management organization and Lazard Freres & Co which is involved with merchant banking and even sounds a bit like "Lizards Brothers & Co".
pk
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editor said:
If we're talking about that section of railing that appears to be in front of the guy's arm - that doesn't look like a VHS artifact to me.
It could be a pixellation error from a digital camera or digital disk recording device - but not from VHS tape, in my opinion.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
scarecrow said:
Ladies and gentleman: Introducing the awesome power of photoshop.
Exhibit A
that is fucking scary.
Yeah wasn't he buying a battery or something? Last minute repair to his detonator I guess. Didn't he then go and celebrate his forthcoming Islamic suicide mission by then popping into McDonald's?scalyboy said:
I'm reminded of the curious behaviour of Mohammed Atta and friends who liked to hang out at the Pink Pony lapdancing club in Las Vegas when they had the chance. Fundamentalists, or patsies?
Ahhh...
With quote from BK. I'd have put another "if" in there, BK... and expect them to take it out
No source information at all. Neither the Observer nor the Telegraph have picked it up that I've been able to find - and nor would I, given the lack of source. Which suggests it's either a genuine leak from a "security source" to the Times or a monumental cock-up by the Times.
In governmental terms, such a leak actually serves Five's interests - "Money! Money! If only you'd given us more money!" - though that doesn't rule out it being a policing source pissed off with the 2.2-at-Oxbridge boys' arrogance. Or one of the First-at-Oxbridge Six boys annoying the plebs at Five for the hell of it.
Prediction: loada conspiraloons do 180° turn and start arguing that the Leeds lads did do it - encouraged by Five.
Hope: conspiraloons start arguing among themselves and stop pestering the sane.
What actually happened if this is true: totally routine bureaucratic fuckup. Not even as strong as a fuckup. Knowing in hindsight the position of the iceberg, the ship didn't need to sink... which does not mean the captain conspired with the iceberg, 'cos he didn't have hindsight ffs.
E2A: for those that don't read the Times story - the alleged conversation, /b]if[/b] real, referred to a different bomb plot.
Sunday Times said:
With quote from BK. I'd have put another "if" in there, BK... and expect them to take it out
No source information at all. Neither the Observer nor the Telegraph have picked it up that I've been able to find - and nor would I, given the lack of source. Which suggests it's either a genuine leak from a "security source" to the Times or a monumental cock-up by the Times.
In governmental terms, such a leak actually serves Five's interests - "Money! Money! If only you'd given us more money!" - though that doesn't rule out it being a policing source pissed off with the 2.2-at-Oxbridge boys' arrogance. Or one of the First-at-Oxbridge Six boys annoying the plebs at Five for the hell of it.
Prediction: loada conspiraloons do 180° turn and start arguing that the Leeds lads did do it - encouraged by Five.
Hope: conspiraloons start arguing among themselves and stop pestering the sane.
What actually happened if this is true: totally routine bureaucratic fuckup. Not even as strong as a fuckup. Knowing in hindsight the position of the iceberg, the ship didn't need to sink... which does not mean the captain conspired with the iceberg, 'cos he didn't have hindsight ffs.
E2A: for those that don't read the Times story - the alleged conversation, /b]if[/b] real, referred to a different bomb plot.
TAE said:Unreported exchanges in the Commons?
indeed - missed that...E2A: would it be the debate starting here?
Has Regina -v- Hansard - the case that established free reporting of the Commons - been overturned then?
That'd be handy for the government. Reporting would shift away from the bombings to a constutional crisis.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm not sure whether "in the Commons" would include Select Committees - and the Intelligence Committee probably does have legally unreported exchanges...
Hmm. Actual allegations of an actual cover-up - complete with enticingly unsourced material. Fertile ground, you would have thought.
But David Davis has presumably been convinced this material exists - even seen/heard it if it does - and thought it worth asking about in the Commons. So the ground for speculation is somewhat restricted. It is alleged that there are facts about the world to be dealt with.
Resounding silence from conspiraloons.
Odd, that
Maybe they're waiting for the word from Lizard Central?
But David Davis has presumably been convinced this material exists - even seen/heard it if it does - and thought it worth asking about in the Commons. So the ground for speculation is somewhat restricted. It is alleged that there are facts about the world to be dealt with.
Resounding silence from conspiraloons.
Odd, that
Maybe they're waiting for the word from Lizard Central?
TAE said:
They're not unreported. That quote above is a C&P of the relevant section from Hansard. You'll see it matches the extract you quoted from the Sunday Times.
From my understanding of how these things work (and I've done similar): the Sunday Times fed Davis with the quote; he agreed to put it in his response to the new Home Secretary; he did; their arse is covered because they're reporting what was said in the Commons.
Why they should say it was "unreported" is the mystery.
Unless he did utter an extra sentence, alleging that Khan had been taped discussing bomb-making, and Hansard left that out.
I haven't read the whole debate - I'm supposed to be writing a proposal. But I've searched for the string "bomb" and found no reference to Khan talking about it.
If Hansard did leave it out, we'll be hearing about it, 'cos that's something that Parliamentary reporters do understand.
E2A: My best bet for "why" is an editing fuckup - David Leppard and Richard Woods couldn't be arsed to find the Hansard cite, they relied on shorthand from the press gallery, put in "unreported" to cover their arses where "CITATION TK FUCKWIT" would have been more ususal and useful, the sub-editor didn't know how to look up Hansard online...
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Well, whatever they're waiting for, this is essentially the sort of thing I was on about in my previous post. Routine incompetence and arse-covering rather than "MI5 did it" as a reason for the government refusing to allow the public to know what the score is and instead providing just a 'narrative.'laptop said:Hmm. Actual allegations of an actual cover-up - complete with enticingly unsourced material. Fertile ground, you would have thought.
But David Davis has presumably been convinced this material exists - even seen/heard it if it does - and thought it worth asking about in the Commons. So the ground for speculation is somewhat restricted. It is alleged that there are facts about the world to be dealt with.
Resounding silence from conspiraloons.
Odd, that
Maybe they're waiting for the word from Lizard Central?
If the allegation
quoted in Hansard is anything like the truth, this is clearly a matter of public interest and it is equally clear why they'd want to prevent the public from hearing about it.
It's also clear, at least to me, that all this crap about train timetables acts as a distraction and a waste of energy, while a lack of any real public accountability about the role of the Blair's illegal war in bringing about this situation, and the uselessness of Blair's draconian attacks on civil liberties in doing anything about the situation, are being ignored in favour of pixel-peeping blurry photographs.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Well quite. One has to wonder what the point of inventing secret conspiracies really is when there are such massive, non-secret conspiracies just staring you in the face every day. Perhaps those are too big and intimidating, and bickering about things that aren't ever going to be resolved is much easier - you can fight for truth and justice quite safely if you don't actually have anything to fight.Bernie Gunther said:
So what are these conspiracies which your fighting to address?
What am I distracting people from? I`ve never mentioned faked photos (thought it wouldn`t suprise me), my only strong point throughout this discussion has been to urge people to remember the links between the terror networks and our own state.
I repeat Haroon Aswat, the media dubbed mastermind of the 7/7 attacks works for our security services.
What am I distracting people from? I`ve never mentioned faked photos (thought it wouldn`t suprise me), my only strong point throughout this discussion has been to urge people to remember the links between the terror networks and our own state.
I repeat Haroon Aswat, the media dubbed mastermind of the 7/7 attacks works for our security services.
Blagsta said:
Prove it. I commented on the drills, I said how they COULD have been used a smokescreen but overall my conclusion was that there is not enough evidence available to the public at this time to be able to make a definitive statement either way.
I then elaborated on the thing which made me suspicious.
The links between Aswat and our state. He`s played this role plenty of times abroad, the shadowy threat to justify authority.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Well I could quote pretty much every single post you've ever made on here, but I think your record speaks for itself. If your "only strong point throughout this discussion has been to urge people to remember the links between the terror networks and our own state." then you wouldn't froth at the mouth about secret societies, owl gods, jewish conspiracies and astral projection. Someone like Larry O' Hara researches links between terror networks and the secret state. You believe any old stoned fantasy your paranoid brain can come up with.
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