belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
RS21 aren't in LU (or the Peoples Assembly, much). And Left Unity is dead now anyway (as compared to its oh so vital lifeforce before Corbynmania)
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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out on the kocker
Vote Elbowpatch with no illusions.As for the SWP - gritted teeth as they welcome his bandwagon, maybe?
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Not true, LU are still alive and kicking, I've met quite a few recently in the Radical Assemblies. Again , whilst not formally backing LU, some of its members have been active in it from early on. As regards the People's Assemblies ( this is aimed at Treelover) it's not an SWP fief and they don't have much traction there, preferring mainly to sell their papers at PA events with the usual hack intervention.
http://leftunity.org/jeremy-corbyn-a-new-moment-a-new-movement/
http://leftunity.org/jeremy-corbyn-a-new-moment-a-new-movement/
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
technically, LU are still alive, in reality they're finished. Half the membership has joined Labour. As for the SWP & the PA - depends where you are. Maybe not in London (the only place Counterfire exists), but in many areas they do operate a dead hand over proceedings.
this will happen to the greens if corbyn gets in too, won't it?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the greens had been an established minor party for quite some time though, got people elected and everything. Perhaps reduced to former size maybe but finished?
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Well, LU are still alive in the Radical Assemblies in London enough to be noticed and there is a struggle there ( at a low-level so far) between their advocacy of supporting Corbyn- they end up calling for discussions on this and get stymied- and those opposed who continue to posit a need for a focus on grassroots , horizontal organisation. Belboid, I am willing to believe SWP have more influence in PA outside London, where Counterfire rules the roost.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
they'll lose a hell of a lot of those new members, I reckon, but they'll hang on. Hoping that when Corbyn is removed from office they'll be the benficiaries.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Lambeth branch is certainly hanging on (and the likes of Simon and Tom, who have nowhere else to go), but elsewhere...
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
They'll lose a fair few newer members - the 2010 Lib Dem types hopping from easy option to easy option. Perhaps a few Labour in exile types too. But at worst they'll be back to where they were in 2010. Not necessarily a bad thing longer term losing the band wagon hopping fair weather left liberals either.
Yep. My HUGELY COMMITTED TO THE GREENS FOREVER mate officially left the party to join labour and vote Corbyn.
Just returned from a Corbyn rally in Aberdeen. It was well attended with a good atmosphere etc. Not a sign of any swp presence that i could see - no paper sellers surprisingly. i don't know any of the swp people in the area, or even if there is a local branch, although there was about three years ago when they held a meeting promoting Cliff's memoir.
i hasten to add that i went along out of interest, not as a LP member or supporter, i'm neither.
However, afterwards i wished Corbyn well, and advised him to be prepared to tackle some seriously powerful enemies the moment he comes anywhere near political power. He said he had "broad shoulders"..
i hasten to add that i went along out of interest, not as a LP member or supporter, i'm neither.
However, afterwards i wished Corbyn well, and advised him to be prepared to tackle some seriously powerful enemies the moment he comes anywhere near political power. He said he had "broad shoulders"..
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
unless he's fucking Atlas he may find those shoulders bowed
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
"RS21 aren't in LU (or the Peoples Assembly, much)."
The RS21ers who attend East London Radical Assembly (from Redbridge and Walthamstow) certainly ARE in Left Unity , so there.
The RS21ers who attend East London Radical Assembly (from Redbridge and Walthamstow) certainly ARE in Left Unity , so there.
What are these radical assemblies? I've never heard of 'em
Cum ba yah
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Ever heard of Google, Spanky?
Nothing came up when I googled but thanks *thumbs*
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Possibly an interminably long version by some twat on an acoustic guitar while his mate tries (and fails on a truly galactic level) to improvise something vaguely resembling a decent rhythm on the fucking bongos, for Christ's sake.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I seem to remember one school assembly where a teacher played The Stranglers' Golden Brown on an old tinny cassette recorder, and then tried to bask in the reflected glory that he attended University with Hugh Cornwell. Unfortunately for him, it was 1986, so no one gave a shit about either Hugh Cornwell or The Stranglers.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
I'm not sure about large towns and cities but
there are a few members of RS21 holding on inside LU in various provincial areas, a few other left groups sympathetic and trying to work with RS21 are sticking in there also, however even they or at least the one's i've talked to reluctantly admit that LU is a mess.
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Corbyn doesn't strike me as the officious looking type
I imagine Nineham knows Corbyn through Stop the War/Coalitions of Resistance/etc. I'm not even sure if Chris is still in Counterfire.
Other than that I'm sure JC is cute enough to avoid any involvement with left groups outside the Labour Party, or Trots inside it.
As for the SWP - gritted teeth as they welcome his bandwagon, maybe?
He's pretty friendly with SP types so I'm sure its the same with ex and current SWP - many of whom he'll know through StW/CoR/PA etc. He's hardly gonna be discouraging support is he?
Not sure why you use the phrase gritted teeth - most SWP members I know are saying they've registered to vote for him. The Control Committee may be concerned about losing members but that aside, no big deal.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Quick perusal of SWP website shows that what they've mainly got to say is that the enthusiasm Corbyn is generating is great but only extra parliamentary movements can win, which is fair enough*. Mostly they're talking about migrants and how we need to fight to let them in though.
E2A: but limited.
E2A: but limited.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
So there's no Parliamentary road, then they hooked up with Gorgeous George and Wespect which implies that there indeed might have been a Parliamentary road, and now with that all having gone up in smoke there's no Parliamentary road again.
Has anyone told them to check their political satnav because it seems to be on the blink.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
as union supporters maybe, not as actual LP members, surely? The members that are left wont leave until Lenin returns and tells them to
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Is that taking unsold copies of Socialist Worker for recycling?
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