belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
really? Is it anti-fascist Steve, or Carrie?
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"Phil from Rotherham said comrades shaped the atmosphere after the child abuse scandal there, by raising the issue of Islamophobia when others were too afraid. "
hmm, absolutely everyone raised it, you dishonest prats. Especially that Labour vicar they were touting so strongly
hmm, absolutely everyone raised it, you dishonest prats. Especially that Labour vicar they were touting so strongly
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Steve.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aah, good man. I'd vote for him. Unless he stood for someone shite like the CPB
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What they mean is their reaction to a labour council covering up and enabling systemic child sex exploitation was to shout "DON'T BE RACIST" at everyone.
If you think about it, that they can be so proud of how they behave in a situation like that is quite dark.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Which apparently is what they want to do. Not gonna stand for TUSC.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
and shouting DONT BE RACIST is the key activity for the upcoming six months too. It's gonna be grim.
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
SP/CWI micro split declared today:
http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/two-men-and-blog-form-faction.html
http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/two-men-and-blog-form-faction.html
Trotsky007
Member
A very good and useful 1 year old conference for RS21 at the weekend in London. Lots of debate about the current political situation and where to go from here. It featured a great "what to do when you go to a picket line" role-play for students from Unite members who were going to go to Bus strike picket lines. Practical stuff and good to share.
Probably not the best thread to post an advert for RS21 one on Trotsky007
Trotsky007
Member
Is there a better place?
start a new thread in this forum?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Don't do that.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
International Socialist Network !
Was wondering if anyone knew anything about ISN meeting/debate last weekend. Apparently they split over whether to stay and work in Left Unity or find more creative and imaginative forms of organisational strategies working as a network of individuals
Was wondering if anyone knew anything about ISN meeting/debate last weekend. Apparently they split over whether to stay and work in Left Unity or find more creative and imaginative forms of organisational strategies working as a network of individuals
Trotsky007
Member
I suspect that there may be some movement to join rs21 which would be good.
I suspect you wouldn't want them
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Not exactly what you were asking for, but here's the Weekly Worker report on the recent TUSC conference. If correct, it would appear that ISN are now focussing on TUSC and not LU.
http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1043/dishonesty-and-opportunism/
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Cheers
Trotsky007
Member
Is rs21 that bad that they couldn't join? What would be the issues that stopped them?
Ever Decreasing Circles or EX SWP Expulsions and Squabbles
It has taken me some time to work through the tangle of statements, counter statements, revisions and tweets to discover some weird goings on and strange facts, including that LBR founder split from the SWP.
- RS21 infiltrating London Black Revs?
- London Black Rev member convicted of rape(?) expelled (after six months), but were Defend the Right to Protest and Justice 4 Mark informed?
- London Black Revs not allowed to have relationships with women of the political left (unless you're the founder) because of risk of rape allegations?
Sources:
First mention http://rapistoutblacklivesmatter.tu...ck-lives-matter-demanding-accountability-from
2009 News story [sexual assault, not rape] http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Sex-attacker-gets-years/story-22342117-detail/story.html
LBR statement about "rapist" and other expulsions http://blackrevs.org/?p=266 (very long)
Response by the "others" expelled https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D8AeiYOZHgAlPUuEwcJgQzsfc34_zVE2bzrKFn-dzyg/pub
Rectification by LBR http://blackrevs.org/?p=283 (gives a timeline, but so many unanswered questions)
Spycops* report on strange behaviour by LBR https://spycops.wordpress.com/ (*anarchists?)
Spycops[008] Twitter account https://twitter.com/GCHQDirtyTricks contains strange private tweets from LBR
LBR Facebook account http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...com/LondonBlackRevs+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk (cached)
Something or nothing? Perhaps just a footnote on life in the Twittersphere.
It has taken me some time to work through the tangle of statements, counter statements, revisions and tweets to discover some weird goings on and strange facts, including that LBR founder split from the SWP.
- RS21 infiltrating London Black Revs?
- London Black Rev member convicted of rape(?) expelled (after six months), but were Defend the Right to Protest and Justice 4 Mark informed?
- London Black Revs not allowed to have relationships with women of the political left (unless you're the founder) because of risk of rape allegations?
Sources:
First mention http://rapistoutblacklivesmatter.tu...ck-lives-matter-demanding-accountability-from
2009 News story [sexual assault, not rape] http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Sex-attacker-gets-years/story-22342117-detail/story.html
LBR statement about "rapist" and other expulsions http://blackrevs.org/?p=266 (very long)
Response by the "others" expelled https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D8AeiYOZHgAlPUuEwcJgQzsfc34_zVE2bzrKFn-dzyg/pub
Rectification by LBR http://blackrevs.org/?p=283 (gives a timeline, but so many unanswered questions)
Spycops* report on strange behaviour by LBR https://spycops.wordpress.com/ (*anarchists?)
Spycops[008] Twitter account https://twitter.com/GCHQDirtyTricks contains strange private tweets from LBR
LBR Facebook account http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...com/LondonBlackRevs+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk (cached)
Something or nothing? Perhaps just a footnote on life in the Twittersphere.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Crikey
Let me declare an interest - I'm still a member of the SWP so I have an axe to grind. I'll try to keep my opinions as non-sectarian as possible and I'm sure you'll let me know if I go too far. Okay?
To start with the press report: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Sex-attacker-gets-years/story-22342117-detail/story.html
Clearly a very bad attack, but it isn't rape. The seriousness of the assault is reflected in the fact that, despite pleading guilty, Kenny got 5 years - the same as Ched Evans who pleaded not guilty to rape. Although this could be due to Evans having more to spend on lawyers.
Once the guilty plea is accepted the court moves on to sentencing. Here the defence claims the attack was out of character and Kenny is ashamed of his actions. Well they would say that wouldn't they? Yet there is no evidence of previous violent and/or sex crimes. Nor is there any mention of remorse, though it may have been included in the shame described by the defence. Either way, remorse at a sentencing hearing isn't likely to be thought terribly convincing.
Despite the clarity of that report, the blog of 28 January 2015 [ http://rapistoutblacklivesmatter.tu...ck-lives-matter-demanding-accountability-from] manages to get basic facts wrong and makes assertions that don't seem to be backed up by any evidence - for instance: [Kenny is] "posing as a revolutionary and continuing to be hyper-masculine and aggressive;" or that his partner Temi Mwale "has covered up his convictions." They also claim that "groups on the left are knowingly harbouring a violent convicted rapist. Defend the Right to Protest, the Justice 4 Mark Campaign, London Black Revolutionaries... ...have all continued to work with a ‘Fidel Santigi’ despite his criminal conviction for a violent rape being found out."
I'm not saying these allegations aren't true, but it isn't good enough to merely assert that individuals and groups are responsible for covering up for, and harbouring, a rapist - provide some evidence or stop witch hunting!
Also, why, when three groups are identified as working with him, only call "on Hannah Dee of Defend the Right to Protest and Carole Duggan of the J4M campaign to remove this convicted rapist?" Especially when the LBR is the only organisation he was a member of!
[Note. Following some of the comments below this post has been edited to remove the suggestion of any "insistence" that there was no rape]
PS - the blog makes suggestions for ways he may be held to account within the left. This is a tricky proposition and I don't know of any evidence for it working, The same can't be said for this old white bloke: I wonder if it's worth asking if the process worked?
I'll try to make sense of the LBR statements tomorrow.
To start with the press report: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Sex-attacker-gets-years/story-22342117-detail/story.html
Clearly a very bad attack, but it isn't rape. The seriousness of the assault is reflected in the fact that, despite pleading guilty, Kenny got 5 years - the same as Ched Evans who pleaded not guilty to rape. Although this could be due to Evans having more to spend on lawyers.
Once the guilty plea is accepted the court moves on to sentencing. Here the defence claims the attack was out of character and Kenny is ashamed of his actions. Well they would say that wouldn't they? Yet there is no evidence of previous violent and/or sex crimes. Nor is there any mention of remorse, though it may have been included in the shame described by the defence. Either way, remorse at a sentencing hearing isn't likely to be thought terribly convincing.
Despite the clarity of that report, the blog of 28 January 2015 [ http://rapistoutblacklivesmatter.tu...ck-lives-matter-demanding-accountability-from] manages to get basic facts wrong and makes assertions that don't seem to be backed up by any evidence - for instance: [Kenny is] "posing as a revolutionary and continuing to be hyper-masculine and aggressive;" or that his partner Temi Mwale "has covered up his convictions." They also claim that "groups on the left are knowingly harbouring a violent convicted rapist. Defend the Right to Protest, the Justice 4 Mark Campaign, London Black Revolutionaries... ...have all continued to work with a ‘Fidel Santigi’ despite his criminal conviction for a violent rape being found out."
I'm not saying these allegations aren't true, but it isn't good enough to merely assert that individuals and groups are responsible for covering up for, and harbouring, a rapist - provide some evidence or stop witch hunting!
Also, why, when three groups are identified as working with him, only call "on Hannah Dee of Defend the Right to Protest and Carole Duggan of the J4M campaign to remove this convicted rapist?" Especially when the LBR is the only organisation he was a member of!
[Note. Following some of the comments below this post has been edited to remove the suggestion of any "insistence" that there was no rape]
PS - the blog makes suggestions for ways he may be held to account within the left. This is a tricky proposition and I don't know of any evidence for it working, The same can't be said for this old white bloke: I wonder if it's worth asking if the process worked?
I'll try to make sense of the LBR statements tomorrow.
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comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
He was convicted of a serious sex attack...so tbh your insistence of him not being a rapist comes across as pedantic and nonsensical
still not surprising behaviour for a member of the SWP
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Hmm, I am not sure. I think it is best to be as factually accurate as possible otherwise the argument becomes about whether x is true or not rather than the real issue. Is it not enough to say he was convicted of a violent sex attack?
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