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SWP expulsions and squabbles

chilango said:
As I said in the original thread:

Thing is with all of these initiatives it's the same ever decreasing circle of people whose entire lives revolve around being a Left activist.

Putting it harshly, the main objective of stuff like this is to give 'em all something to do for the next few months.

If we were looking at big gatherings called from below, from street level assemblies, from neighbours, workmates and friends getting together and deciding they need to link up on a city- wide or national scale it'd be a whole different kettle of fish.

But it ain't. It's a pastime. And a conscience salve.

If anybody, and I mean anybody, I come across in my daily life even mentions one of these assemblies I'll come on here and perform a forfeit of the thread's choice. Hell, I'll even buy, and read, a Laurie Penny book. they won't though.

Nowr's happened to change my mind on this yet.
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it just seems so harsh, the way you express it. "Putting it harshly, the main objective of stuff like this is to give 'em all something to do for the next few months." As if, they are not motivated by progressive ideas?


"If we were looking at big gatherings called from below, from street level assemblies, from neighbours, workmates and friends getting together and deciding they need to link up on a city- wide or national scale it'd be a whole different kettle of fish." But that isn't happening is it? Hasn't been happening for years [barring rare exceptions to the rule]. what should people like Mark to do? Nothing?
 
mk12 said:
I enjoyed Mark Steel's piece and it chimes with my thoughts on it all, especially as we're both ex-members. Apart from the People's Assembly bit!
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Yes, Steel's take describes very well how many ex'ers must be feeling. i can't imagine where the party will go now? Even those of the brain dead hackery must be feeling very exposed indeed, with the realisation that they are signed up for mission impossible and long haul circuitous defence of sex abuse.
 
Labour types having another crack at a union based anti-SWP petition.

http://womeninthelabourmovement.wordpress.com/

All looks very nice at first glance, but at a second... it actually says absoluely nothing. There is no suggestion about how to go forward to actually protect women in the labour movemente, its so vague even the SWP DC could sign up to it.

Also, it lists Heather Wakefield as a signatory. This is the Heather Wakefield (Unison head of local government) who promoted <ed: name removed> to South Yorks Local Govt officer for Unison, despite his conviction for domestic violence. He was forced to resign as Donny labour councillor following his conviction, but is apparently fine to represent un ion members - most of whom (in his section) are women. Another Unison senior officer has also got a DV conviction. They are, aparently, fine.
 
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butchersapron said:
Well clearly, paul stott needs to talk to loads of left-liberals from a stage. That should be our start point. Might not be paul's though.

The IWCA model has barely been tried btw - or do you in your miserablism now reject the ideas of it? The flip-side of such a rejection, of course, is running after shite like this with your tongue hanging out.
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so the IWCA IS YOUR alternative?
 
belboid said:
Also, it lists Heather Wakefield as a signatory. This is the Heather Wakefield (Unison head of local government) who promoted -- to South Yorks Local Govt officer for Unison, despite his conviction for domestic violence. He was forced to resign as Donny labour councillor following his conviction, but is apparently fine to represent un ion members - most of whom (in his section) are women. Another Unison senior officer has also got a DV conviction. They are, aparently, fine.
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Jesus.
 
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ResistanceMP3 said:
it just seems so harsh, the way you express it. "Putting it harshly, the main objective of stuff like this is to give 'em all something to do for the next few months." As if, they are not motivated by progressive ideas?


"If we were looking at big gatherings called from below, from street level assemblies, from neighbours, workmates and friends getting together and deciding they need to link up on a city- wide or national scale it'd be a whole different kettle of fish." But that isn't happening is it? Hasn't been happening for years [barring rare exceptions to the rule]. what should people like Mark to do? Nothing?
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Look at the big thread on it.
 
belboid said:
oh, and, I should add, Wakefield has been directly challenged about this by Unison members. She refused to respond.
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I'd assumed that the Unison bureaucracy would be the first to use this SWP madness as a weapon against the left, particularly with NEC elections coming up. But if what you said above is accurate, it might be difficult for them to do that.
 
The main story on international women's day in mysogenist worker is worth a close read- the photo, from a protest in Glasgow, shows only one, rather amateur, SWP placard ( from a group that soaks protests with placards) the text makes no mention of SWP nor swss involvement, either in the organisation or as speakers. Do any of the groups mentioned as being involved know that the SWP claim Their protest as their own?
 
Nigel Irritable said:
I always thought he was Socialist Resistance. Nice bloke on a personal level, or at least he was on the couple of occasions I chatted with him years ago.
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He is one of the rare people who seems much more convincing when speaking on a platform than when talking one-to-one
 
butchersapron said:
Green socialist type thing whatever it's called. Son of a labour MP is always in labour's orbit.
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Didn't know that. Why did I think he was in or around SR then? Was he around them for a while when Socialist Resistance was supposedly a "broad" paper involving people outside the then ISG?
 
Nigel Irritable said:
I'd assumed that the Unison bureaucracy would be the first to use this SWP madness as a weapon against the left, particularly with NEC elections coming up. But if what you said above is accurate, it might be difficult for them to do that.
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You are exactly right about using this against the left. The labour bureaucracy won't distinguish between the democratic centralism/rape apologists/cult left from the but we are not rape apologists or a cult or democratic centralist left.

Beyond the Fragments and then back to Labour
 
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